Relationships and religion - Page 10

Tiptoes · 27-11-2003, 11:58

Also,

to put things into perspective.............

I wasnt "calling religions tripe or crap"

I was calling the reasons for the associations that people make with religion.

Russ · 27-11-2003, 12:03

In that case I apologise but when you say things such as...

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Originally Posted by Tiptoes

Its all crap as far as im concerned....

and

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I think you all need to go read the Book of Hiram and put this religous tripe into perspective

..you kind of look as if you are calling it 'crap' and 'tripe'.

In any case, please try to be less offensive to people who's views do not match yours.

Tiptoes · 27-11-2003, 12:42

Thats why I referenced the book.

There is good and bad in them all and some religions even contradict themselves but i have no wish to delve into that now.

More important is for peopl not to lose sight....

When tracing back the histories of worship it seems our ancesstors all worshiped the same things but under slightly different guises.

Today it is "A god" in various different forms. But strangley enough this has only been since we have been able to travel to other objects in the sky .

Thousands of years ago people worshipped the objects in the sky...

Whilst one race worshiped the sun another worshipped the moon and others the stars and so forth.

Now we have been able to travel to the moon and learn more about it over the thousands of years we have moved on from worshipping it along with the sun.

So you see with relgion and the beliefs system you are only ever led by what you dont know and not what you do.

Christianity was borne from Judaism.

3500 BC was around the time the Groved Ware people existed in scotland who worshipped venus.

No one worships Venus anymore.

In 3000 years time we may have no religion. Who knows?

**Chris** · 27-11-2003, 12:49

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Originally Posted by Tiptoes

Thats why I referenced the book.

There is good and bad in them all and some religions even contradict themselves but i have no wish to delve into that now.

More important is for peopl not to lose sight....

When tracing back the histories of worship it seems our ancesstors all worshiped the same things but under slightly different guises.

Today it is "A god" in various different forms. But strangley enough this has only been since we have been able to travel to other objects in the sky .

Thousands of years ago people worshipped the objects in the sky...

Whilst one race worshiped the sun another worshipped the moon and others the stars and so forth.

Now we have been able to travel to the moon and learn more about it over the thousands of years we have moved on from worshipping it along with the sun.

So you see with relgion you are only ever led by what you dont know not and not what you do.

Christianity was borne from Judaism.

3500 BC was around the time the Groved Ware people existed in scotland who worshipped venus.

No one worships Venus anymore.

In 3000 years time we may have no religion. Who knows?

The roots of Judaism don't really fit this pattern. Abraham took up a monotheistic religion maybe 4-5,000 years ago. He didn't worship the sun, moon, stars, animals or anything else, yet there is no reason to think he understood the true nature of those things any more than any of his contemporaries.

Even when the ancient Israelites slipped into worship of other gods, these were always spirit beings represented by idols, not bits and pieces of the natural world.

Russ · 27-11-2003, 12:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tiptoes

Thats why I referenced the book.

There is good and bad in them all and some religions even contradict themselves but i have no wish to delve into that now.

More important is for peopl not to lose sight....

When tracing back the histories of worship it seems our ancesstors all worshiped the same things but under slightly different guises.

Today it is "A god" in various different forms. But strangley enough this has only been since we have been able to travel to other objects in the sky .

Thousands of years ago people worshipped the objects in the sky...

Whilst one race worshiped the sun another worshipped the moon and others the stars and so forth.

Now we have been able to travel to the moon and learn more about it over the thousands of years we have moved on from worshipping it along with the sun.

So you see with relgion and the beliefs system you are only ever led by what you dont know and not what you do.

Christianity was borne from Judaism.

3500 BC was around the time the Groved Ware people existed in scotland who worshipped venus.

No one worships Venus anymore.

In 3000 years time we may have no religion. Who knows?

See? When you're not being offensive, you prove to be quite intelligent

Tiptoes · 27-11-2003, 13:36

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Originally Posted by towny

The roots of Judaism don't really fit this pattern. Abraham took up a monotheistic religion maybe 4-5,000 years ago. He didn't worship the sun, moon, stars, animals or anything else, yet there is no reason to think he understood the true nature of those things any more than any of his contemporaries.

Even when the ancient Israelites slipped into worship of other gods, these were always spirit beings represented by idols, not bits and pieces of the natural world.

You are quite correct in your appraisal but I was talking about the idealism of Judaism from the time of ENOCH not Abraham Issac and Jacob sons who made up the 12 Tribes and formed the Israelites.

Enoch being from 5000+BC

The Jewish calender actually goes back 5700 or so years

So it was around before then (4/5000 years ago)

The point I am trying to make is comparing the origins of religion and "What people do" in their belief systems.

IE worship a god or an object.

Jews were a scattered race of peoples across continents prior to Abraham and Enoch was one who travelled to digest the principles of other races.

I find it intruiging that in some of the rituals of freemasonry there are direct links to the peoples of nearly 6000 years ago yet their systems are based around objects and building more commonly associated with Judaism and the building of the great temple.

Yet religion is a non entity in Freemasonry so it isnt influenced in any way by it.

For me this actually shows that religion and beliefs are based more around what we dont know rather than what we do.

If, over the generations of thousands of years, we were all true in our beliefs we would all still be worshipping the Sun as they did in the stoneage.

We are not and once it was proven that the sun moon and stars weere just planets and not "Gods" people started to look in other directions. Hence the growth of other belief systems.

Dont forget the romans and the greeks.

Tiptoes · 27-11-2003, 13:39

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Originally Posted by Russ D

See? When you're not being offensive, you prove to be quite intelligent

And when your not so defensive you prove to be quite intelligible.

Russ · 27-11-2003, 13:48

I'd rather be unintelligable than offensive

</playground mode>

:p

Tiptoes · 27-11-2003, 13:51

My dads bigger than yours :lol

Watch out I may want to play christians and muslims with you after.

Jon M · 27-11-2003, 14:01

all,
i'm a bit concerned that we're getting a bit bogged down in technicalities..
i think getting back on topic is the order of the day, don't you?

after all, there are enough threads about "religion" already

**Chris** · 27-11-2003, 14:02

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Originally Posted by s1lv3r

all,
i'm a bit concerned that we're getting a bit bogged down in technicalities..
i think getting back on topic is the order of the day, don't you?

If anyone can remember what that was, of course ...

Russ · 27-11-2003, 14:04

Yeah...relationships etc

Since being born again all the women I've been out with have not been Christians.

Guess what - I'm single

Jon M · 27-11-2003, 14:26

here's a more articulate version of my own point of view on relationships (in the context of the first post)
http://www.godquestions.com/becca112000.html

the bible tells christians that "few will enter the kingdom of heaven" which is important because it follows on that the number of potential partners available will be equally few.
It is to be expected that meeting compatible people is difficult. - a quote i lifted from elsewhere.. but i thought it'd help put the christian viewpoint/dilemma more clearly

27-11-2003, 15:02

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Originally Posted by Russ D

Anyway, for more 'miracles', read Revelations to find out what happens after the rapture - there'll be plenty then

Pardon me if this sounds like "Jam Yesterday, Jam Tomorrow, but never Jam Today!"

Russ · 27-11-2003, 15:03

Don't worry....you're pardoned.....