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Old 05-12-2003, 22:21   #46
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Re: Any BB progress in S.London?

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Well, there is cable BB in ex-VCL South London before Christmas 2003, not all of it admittedly, but nevertheless a true rumour it seems. Worth putting the record straight here.

Ok but how many people will be able to use before chistmas 2003 its only 3 weeks away
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Old 06-12-2003, 00:00   #47
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Re: Any BB progress in S.London?

Well, the four-figure number who have it, for a start.
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Old 06-12-2003, 10:21   #48
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Re: Any BB progress in S.London?

i remember a few weeks ago, ntl send adverts through the post to some london homes because bb was just enabled. so a lot of people would have signed up, as ntl bb is a very popular product. by the christmas they will have 1 million bb customers, they have 910,000 as of mid-november!!
plus, i can't see ntl releasing bb in any more london regions until january, because they only have about 3 weeks to do installs and it may not be enough time.
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Old 06-12-2003, 11:36   #49
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i remember a few weeks ago, ntl send adverts through the post to some london homes because bb was just enabled. so a lot of people would have signed up, as ntl bb is a very popular product. by the christmas they will have 1 million bb customers, they have 910,000 as of mid-november!!
plus, i can't see ntl releasing bb in any more london regions until january, because they only have about 3 weeks to do installs and it may not be enough time.
yes - someone I know recently got connected in the Woolwich/Plumstead Common area, which I presume is via the Lewisham head.
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Old 09-12-2003, 12:37   #50
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Re: Any BB progress in S.London?

Just phoned Sales Team again

No date as yet, When I mentioned that i was told by sales team previously that they had quoted a xmas 2003 date he wanted names of who told me.

So the untruth continues but now they want the names of whos giving out this duff info. Does that mean in future we will get silence as they will be to scared to say anythin
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Re: Any BB progress in S.London?

I just thought I'd pop on NTHW and see how things were progressing with the whole S London BB fiasco...... nothing new I see....

I went to ADSL back in June (still keeping my NTL TV/Phone package) and I have never looked back. I would suggest others do the same.

I would also suggest that if you go down the same route as me that you negotiate with NTL CS for a discount/credit on your NTL monthly bill for the inconvenience of

a) Having a BT line installed (if you don't already have one)
b) The monthly rental of your BT ADLS enabled line

This is what I did (but I am not prepared to discuss the fiscal amounts).

Without the discount, it would have not been financially viable for me to have kept the NTL TV package, NTL phone and, BT line and ADSL provider, I would simply have SKY TV and not NTL anything.

Another fact: What swayed me to go down this route was a call from NTL CS saying that in my area, SE24, they could not guarantee any BB before 2007! Basically they said it would either be 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006 or 2007 at the latest!

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Well, there is cable BB in ex-VCL South London before Christmas 2003, not all of it admittedly, but nevertheless a true rumour it seems. Worth putting the record straight here.
So how about putting one more record straight. So all that misinformation given by NTL staffers that Videotron cabling was not up to standard was then nothing but being economical with the truth. So we can assume then there is nothing wrong with Videotron cabling.

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So how about putting one more record straight. So all that misinformation given by NTL staffers that Videotron cabling was not up to standard was then nothing but being economical with the truth. So we can assume then there is nothing wrong with Videotron cabling.

So ntl were either
1) deliberately holding off launching broadband in the capital of the UK while organising a conspiracy of misinformation to put about a false story about the cabling being poor or
2) getting their fingers burnt with previously incorrect predictions and thus staying schtum while upgrading the network piecemeal to support broadband *reliably* (this is the key) and launching it on the quiet.

Now, tell me which one you think is correct and why.
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So ntl were either
1) deliberately holding off launching broadband in the capital of the UK while organising a conspiracy of misinformation to put about a false story about the cabling being poor or 2) getting their fingers burnt with previously incorrect predictions and thus staying schtum while upgrading the network piecemeal to support broadband *reliably* (this is the key) and launching it on the quiet.
Now, tell me which one you think is correct and why.

By your own admission you have made it clear in your previous post that BB services are being supplied over exVideotron cabling. This seems to indicate that employees rather than the company have been misinforming customers in Videotron areas. I have never seen any official communication from the company in relation to BB services on Videotron cabling, only people like you who deny BB can be carried on Videotron cabling and have lectured us to the effect that Videotron cabling was unsuitable when apparently it is suitable. So why do you mislead us?
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Re: Any BB progress in S.London?

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By your own admission you have made it clear in your previous post that BB services are being supplied over exVideotron cabling. This seems to indicate that employees rather than the company have been misinforming customers in Videotron areas. I have never seen any official communication from the company in relation to BB services on Videotron cabling, only people like you who deny BB can be carried on Videotron cabling and have lectured us to the effect that Videotron cabling was unsuitable when apparently it is suitable. So why do you mislead us?
You haven't answered my question, presumably an oversight on your part, so I'll repeat it:

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Now, tell me which one you think is correct and why.
Videotron cabled it poorly and cheaply, fact, hence broadband couldn't launch at the same time as everywhere else, fact. ntl are fixing the cabling in VCL areas, fact, it's a long, slow job, fact, as it's fixed and proved working it's launching, fact.

To deny that VCL didn't cable it poorly means that you think they cabled it well and therefore you must have some other reason why ntl didn't launch their top-selling product in VCL London two years ago along with non-VCL London. Let's hear that reason.

The number of people on broadband in the SE London area now is higher than it was a few months ago (fact) when people started commenting on here about leafleting and sales campaigns in the SE area advertising broadband (fact), which sounds very much like official communication from ntl to me.

*Things don't stay the same*

I anticipate a day where virtually all VCL customers can get cable broadband, but it certainly won't be by Christmas 2003. I deliberately don't comment on launch dates because I *don't* want to mislead, so don't accuse me of it.

I think what a reasonable person would conclude is that ntl are *doing something about cable broadband in VCL areas*, slowly certainly, but nevertheless true. This has been frequently denied on here and elsewhere by mad trolls like UDT, who I notice is rather quiet at the moment.
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Old 10-12-2003, 12:54   #56
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You haven't answered my question, presumably an oversight on your part, so I'll repeat it:
Where? What follows below is another statement from you, which I am not in a position to challenge, what goes on in SE London I wouldn't know. By the way, NTl is a corporate entity and what employees, who may not be in executive posts, have to say may not always be in tune with what the company believes ought to be communicated.

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Videotron cabled it poorly and cheaply, fact, hence broadband couldn't launch at the same time as everywhere else, fact. ntl are fixing the cabling in VCL areas, fact, it's a long, slow job, fact, as it's fixed and proved working it's launching, fact. To deny that VCL didn't cable it poorly means that you think they cabled it well and therefore you must have some other reason why ntl didn't launch their top-selling product in VCL London two years ago along with non-VCL London. Let's hear that reason. The number of people on broadband in the SE London area now is higher than it was a few months ago (fact) when people started commenting on here about leafleting and sales campaigns in the SE area advertising broadband (fact), which sounds very much like official Videotron cabled it poorly and cheaply, fact, hence broadband couldn't launch at the same time as everywhere else, fact. ntl are fixing the cabling in VCL areas, fact, it's a long, slow job, fact, as it's fixed and proved working it's launching, fact. To deny that VCL didn't cable it poorly means that you think they cabled it well and therefore you must have some other reason why ntl didn't launch their top-selling product in VCL London two years ago along with non-VCL London. Let's hear that reason. The number of people on broadband in the SE London area now is higher than it was a few months ago (fact) when people started commenting on here about leafleting and sales campaigns in the SE area advertising broadband (fact), which sounds very much like official communication from ntl to me.
You were one of the contributors to this site and the .com site who gave a very strong impression as did other NTL employees, that the Videotron cabling was poor and unsuitable for carrying BB, now it appears your tune has changed and suddenly we are seeing BB on Videotron cabling is possible after all. Indeed as you say: *Things don't stay the same* a new tune is being sung!


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I anticipate a day where virtually all VCL customers can get cable broadband, but it certainly won't be by Christmas 2003. I deliberately don't comment on launch dates because I *don't* want to mislead, so don't accuse me of it. I think what a reasonable person would conclude is that ntl are *doing something about cable broadband in VCL areas*, slowly certainly, but nevertheless true. This has been frequently denied on here and elsewhere by mad trolls like UDT, who I notice is rather quiet at the moment.
No one is accusing you of anything apart from having indicated as others have in the past that Videotron cabling was rubbish and could not carry BB. I've never mentioned dates in these posts.

Ok. Indeed I would like to believe I'm a reasonable person, it is obvious NTL is extending availablity of BB on Videotron in SE London postcodes I'm in no position to say otherwise. UDT having been naughty is I believe banned. What I can say is there are no visible signs that NTL are doing anything in regard to upgrading videotron cabling in this area, which is no where near SE London. As we hope to be buying a new property soon in Hertfordshire I've now lost interest in this area. We are NTL telephony and NTL dial up internet customers here.


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Re: Any BB progress in S.London?

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who gave a very strong impression as did other NTL employees, that the Videotron cabling was poor and unsuitable for carrying BB, now it appears your tune has changed and suddenly we are seeing BB on Videotron cabling is possible after all.
Have you ever thought that maybe new cable was pulled through the existing VCL pipes and this new cable is capable of broadband, thus slowly opening up broadband cable to London?
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Have you ever thought that maybe new cable was pulled through the existing VCL pipes and this new cable is capable of broadband, thus slowly opening up broadband cable to London?
Well, if that is the case then why doesn't BBKing say so, based on what he has written so far this possibility has not been mentioned. The thought of kilometre of kilometre of Videotron cabling being ripped out from the under streets of SE London is mind boggling to say the least. Have you witnessed this amazing event?

Oh and bye the way, I'm not challenging NTL BB access availability in SE London
only that now suddenly we are learning Videotron cabling with a little maintenence here and there is capable of carrying BB this possibilty has been denied on many ocassions by NTL staffers.

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Re: Any BB progress in S.London?

I have not witnessed this as I don't live anywhere near London, I'm just saying from past posts this seems the logical explanation.

Gogogo, do you really think that ntl (in their "need lots of money" situation) would not release their highest profit product if they could?

There were obviously very good reasons why they couldn't launch it at the time, I imagine mostly down to not having themoney to upgrade the network, which they have a bit of now and are doing it slowly.
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I have not witnessed this as I don't live anywhere near London, I'm just saying from past posts this seems the logical explanation. Gogogo, do you really think that ntl (in their "need lots of money" situation) would not release their highest profit product if they could? There were obviously very good reasons why they couldn't launch it at the time, I imagine mostly down to not having themoney to upgrade the network, which they have a bit of now and are doing it slowly.
Here we go again. Now asdf, did you read what I have written on this subject above.

Let's spell it out. BBKing has recorded for us that NTL BB is being rolled out on existing Videotron cabling, with a little modification here and there. He has not written that Videotron cabling has been entirely ripped out which is your suggestion. I am happy to accept that slowly SE London postcodes denied NTL BB are now happily receiving it, some will no doubt have it within the next 1 to 10 years.

Money, oh yes, indeed NTL is not short of money, after all it has recently rehired the failed exCEO, Mr Barclay Knapp at £3,500 a day to advise it from New Jersey, USA. There is considerable revenue flowing in to NTL finances. All we long suffering Videotron customers are asking is quite simple. We have been promised BB month after month, coming soon, coming soon. So what is the logic of this situation - result customers in Videotron cabled areas want to know what is going on. Where is it and why are we not being told by senior NTL executives, it's not too much to ask.

Not one NTL senior executive has bothered to say anything, so all this info from NTL staffers that Videotron cabling is not suitable is nonsense, all this NTL has no money is nonsense.

As we hope to be moving out of this Videotron area in the coming months I no longer have a personal axe to grind. Just for once let's see some truth. Let's not have another rehash of rubbish explanations.

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