the origin of AIDS

[Bex]

Originally Posted by aliferste

<snippity snip>After watching a couple of mates go through hell because they have HIV and then to come on a forum to see utter drivel being sprouted about people having sex with monkies and about AIDS being man made to control the population of Africa is just plain infuriating.

People seem to take Urban Myths and turn them into reality......Ive found time and time again that it doesnt matter if you state facts and figures people would still want the rubbish and to not change any view!

ok herein lies the problem, people make jokey comments about issues which are serious and DO effect people..... kronie started it as a serious thread and some people completely turned it round.....
maybe aids did originate from monkies, and i am not going to comment on the way this was transefered to humans, i don't know and i dont care....

maybe i should lighten up (as i am sure some people will tell me to do) however i think AIDS is a serious issue and think it is insensitive to make light of it........

i am not saying it is the case, but we do not know every member of this forum personally, and someone on here may have HIV..imagine how they would feel to read this........

yeah it is jokey to talk about the origins but as russ has said lets try and keep this serious (if we can)

[aliferste]

Originally Posted by Defiant

Trying to have a dig at someone their aliferste. Now thats not like you is it. As for the Monkey sex thing well you know for a fact that that could never happen don't you. NO you dont do you

Poeple 1000 times more inteligent than you do not think that AIDS was caused by Monkey Sex.

And as for some kind of monkey man hybred


Actually , I wasnt having a dig at you....you must have a guilty conscience!!

YOU were the one that started on about do gooders again

Originally Posted by aliferste

Poeple 1000 times more inteligent than you do not think that AIDS was caused by Monkey Sex.

Can you show me where these people 1000 more intelligent than me and 100000 more intelligent than you have written to confirm this

[aliferste]

Originally Posted by Defiant

Can you show me where these people 1000 more intelligent than me and 100000 more intelligent than you have written to confirm this

You see THAT is exactly the attitude I am talking about


And THIS coming from the person that thinks if you have monkey sex you get a monkey man Hybrid!!

Originally Posted by aliferste

You see THAT is exactly the attitude I am talking about

Merely pointing out a possibility that has not been disproved

Originally Posted by aliferste

And THIS coming from the person that thinks if you have monkey sex you get a monkey man Hybrid!!

Or poor aliferste is that the best you can do. Well try getting your fact's right. I was pointing out what someone else has mentioned in a prevous thread on this board. Something they said they had seen on the Discovery channel. But then you only believe what you want to believe dont you

[aliferste]

After the monkey sex thingus

Originally Posted by Defiant

Funny you should say that. Wasn't their something on the Discovery channel about an ape half bread ( Dirty b@stards )

ahem!

Defiant......I can tell you RIGHT NOW that if you have sex with a monkey you cannot get a monkey man!! (or women)

or any animal for that matter!!


I love the way you think you know the way i think

[Shaun]

This thread is a joke from start to finish, some have tried to make intelligent comments and others have used it to take a cheap pop at each other, Bexy and Russ have tried to stop it but still people continue.

PACK IT IN.

In squabbling between yourselves your coming up with completely stupid arguments that make both you (you know who you are) and the site look stupid.

If you all are that interested in the origins of AIDS then I suggest that you use www.google.co.uk Rather than making up completely ludicrous hypothesise of your own.

To put all this nonsense to an end here is the theory most scientists agree with.

Debate around the origin of AIDS has sparked considerable interest and controversy since the beginning of the epidemic. However, in trying to identify where AIDS originated, there is a danger that people may try and use the debate to attribute blame for the disease to particular groups of individuals or certain lifestyles.

The first cases of AIDS occurred in the USA in 1981, but they provide little information about the source of the disease. There is now clear evidence that the disease AIDS is caused by the virus HIV. So to find the source of AIDS we need to look for the origin of HIV.

It is now generally accepted that HIV is a descendant of simian (monkey) immunodeficiency virus (SIV). Certain simian immunodeficiency viruses bear a very close resemblance to HIV-1 and HIV-2, the two types of HIV.

In February 1999 it was announced1 that a group of researchers from the University of Alabama had studied frozen tissue from a chimpanzee and found that the simian virus it carried (SIVcpz) was almost identical to HIV-1. The chimpanzee came from a sub-group of chimpanzees known as Pan troglodytes troglodytes, which were once common in west-central Africa.

The findings of this 10-year long research into the origin and evolution of HIV by Paul Sharp of Nottingham University and Beatrice Hahn of the University of Alabama were published in 20032. They concluded that wild chimps became infected simultaneously with two simian immunodeficiency viruses (SIVs) which had "viral sex" ****NOT MONKEY SEX**** to form a third virus capable of infecting humans and causing AIDS.

It has been known for a long time that certain viruses can pass from animals to humans, and this process is referred to as zoonosis.

The researchers concluded that HIV could have crossed over from chimpanzees as a result of a human killing a chimp and eating it for food

So there you have it the Origin of AIDS/HIV in a nut shell.

There are other theory's like the one below, but the one above the generally accepted theory.

Some other rather controversial theories have contended that HIV was transferred iatrogenically i.e. via medical experiments. One particularly well publicised theory is that polio vaccines played a role in the transfer.

The journalist Edward Hooper has suggested that HIV could be traced to the testing of an oral polio vaccine called Chat as batches of the Chat vaccine may have been grown in chimp kidney cells in the Congo, the Wistar Institute and Belgium. That could have resulted in the contamination of the vaccine with chimp SIV, the simian version of HIV-1. This vaccine was then given to about a million people in the Belgian Congo, Ruanda and Urundi in the late 1950s.

However, in February 2000 the Wistar Institute in Philadelphia announced that it had discovered in its stores a phial of polio vaccine that had been used as part of this polio vaccination program. The vaccine was subsequently analysed and in April 2001 it was announced3 that no trace had been found of either HIV or chimpanzee. A second analysis4 confirmed that only macaque monkey kidney cells, which cannot be infected with SIV or HIV, were used to make Chat.

Now if you guys want to discuss this like adults then please carry on, if not and you want to continue to make yourselves look stupid then please take it to PMs or MSN, if not then I'm sure Russ/Keyser or whoever will oblige and close this sad excuse for a discussion.

As a side note please feel free to use www.Google.co.uk and do your own research in future (it is free after all!!) ~~~Thats NOT aimed at you Kronas ~~~

edit
http://www.avert.org/origins.htm

New Scientist (unsure of the issue number, I can't find the link again )

will you two pack it in. you have completely managed to hijack this thread.

however for post 62 aliferste i will when i can rep you a good point for a fair post.as usual the rep system means i have to spread some rep around again.


incog.

Originally Posted by aliferste

After the monkey sex thingus



ahem!

Defiant......I can tell you RIGHT NOW that if you have sex with a monkey you cannot get a monkey man!! (or women)

or any animal for that matter!!


I love the way you think you know the way i think

DID I SAY YOU COULD ?. I quoted someone from this board that said they had seen something on Discovery about it. Now how many times do you need telling

And I do know the way you think . You your always the same and when sussed out like now you just keep repeating the same thing

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Incognitas

will you two pack it in. you have completely managed to hijack this thread.

however for post 62 aliferste i will when i can rep you a good point for a fair post.as usual the rep system means i have to spread some rep around again.


incog.

Incog, wake me when someone says something interesting will you

Originally Posted by dellwear

Incog, wake me when someone says something interesting will you

Actually I'm going to go take a peek at Outlaw Star for a short while.Maybe when I get back everything will be calmer.

Insert pigs flying smiley here.

[aliferste]

Originally Posted by Defiant

DID I SAY YOU COULD ?. You your always the same and when sussed out like now you just keep repeating the same thing

[Russ]

Ok STOP!!!!

I've had too many complaints about this thread now.

AIDS is certainly an issue which cannot be ignored but when discussing it I would expect a degree of compassion and responsibility, but what do i see? Mickey-taking and messing about and I'm sorry but that stop here.

I'm going to watch this thread, if there's any more insensitivity then posts will be removed.

Peeps I hate being like this, you are usually a good bunch but some of the things being said in this thread quite frankly disturbs me.

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Incognitas

Actually I'm going to go take a peek at Outlaw Star for a short while.Maybe when I get back everything will be calmer.

Insert pigs flying smiley here.

Bill Bryson (A short history of everything) is calling, so I'm going too, maybe your right, things may change!!!


I couldn't find a flying pig one!!

Originally Posted by Russ D

Ok STOP!!!!

I've had too many complaints about this thread now.

AIDS is certainly an issue which cannot be ignored but when discussing it I would expect a degree of compassion and responsibility, but what do i see? Mickey-taking and messing about and I'm sorry but that stop here.

I'm going to watch this thread, if there's any more insensitivity then posts will be removed.

Peeps I hate being like this, you are usually a good bunch but some of the things being said in this thread quite frankly disturbs me.

Incog for Russ.