Sky Broadband

[paul11974]

so what will ntl offer i wonder to compete with this deal ?

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with sky i could get * VARIETY MIX
* KIDS MIX
* KNOWLEDGE MIX
* NEWS & EVENTS MIX for £18 a month plus £5 per month for broadband and £11.99 for phone that totals £35


i thinks its time ntl offered free uk calls 2mb uncapped broadband and family pack for £30

[RealDiamond]

Originally Posted by James Henry

Who says you can only get 2Mbit? Up to 8 is available to over 99% of the UK, line distance allowing. If you can get 2Mbit under the old ADSL scheme you should be fine for at least 4 on the newer one.

Not that it matters anyway as it'd be £17 for that + the line rental for the BT line, so if you don't have a landline already it doesn't work for you.

winton in bounrnemouth is gonna be my local exchange. hasnt even been unbundled by BT yet. BT told me ill be on 2 Meg so i went with cable.

[Gareth]

Heh, I used to live in Winton a long time ago... Talbot Road, to be exact. Used to like going to the pub at the end of the road. *sigh* Brings back memories.

[James Henry]

Originally Posted by RealDiamond

winton in bounrnemouth is gonna be my local exchange. hasnt even been unbundled by BT yet. BT told me ill be on 2 Meg so i went with cable.

BT don't unbundle, other operators unbundle by putting their own kit in BT's exchange.

BT Wholesale ADSL/SDSL information ADSL status: Enabled
ADSL enable date: 31 Mar 2000
SDSL status: Enabled
SDSL enable date: 03 Jul 2005
ADSL Max status: Enabled (Green)
ADSL Max enable date: 31 Mar 2006

BT might have only offered 2Mbit at that time but your exchange has all the BT products and is being unbundled by Carphone Warehouse / Opal Telecom within the next month and a half.

I suspect also that Easynet / Sky will be unbundling it in the not too distant future, it's hardly a small exchange.

Serves (approx): 24,546 residential premises
1,123 non-residential premises

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Originally Posted by kronas

just hope the telephone line is good then

question for you:

is it possibe to have two internet connections in windows xp pro, my motherboard has two ethernet ports, so i can run them independently for downloading etc ? any programs i need etc ?

You'd need Winroute or a dual WAN router or similar to load balance between two connections.

Unlimited may be able to assist better than me.

[slug]

Originally Posted by paul11974

so what will ntl offer i wonder to compete with this deal ?

Its hard to see how ntl can compete with this deal for me. I have sky+ and ntl phone + BB.
If I go for the free BB from sky, thats a £25 a month saving, I will have to change my line to bt which is a pain but hey, a £300 a year saving.

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Will have to wait as my exchange is not ready yet.

[Griffin]

Originally Posted by slug

Its hard to see how ntl can compete with this deal for me. I have sky+ and ntl phone + BB.
If I go for the free BB from sky, thats a £25 a month saving, I will have to change my line to bt which is a pain but hey, a £300 a year saving.

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Will have to wait as my exchange is not ready yet.

Same here at my exchange but the letter states it will be unbundled in the next 6 months. I am already with sky for tv have been since 1993 as its a superior system for tv. Also as sky are saying up to 16mb on what was originally a 22mb system then more people should get closer to the higher end of the speed. On paper it sounds the business, plus a nice saving on price.

[kronas]

Originally Posted by James Henry

You'd need Winroute or a dual WAN router or similar to load balance between two connections.

Unlimited may be able to assist better than me.

thanks, winroute ? google comes up with firewalls ?

[Caff]

I'm definitely interested. Seems I have to wait until August for further action.
Think I'll run ntl and Sky if I can, to judge. I'm a bit 'Better the devil you know.'
The last time that Sky failed here was during a blizzard - about 15 years ago.

I hope I can choose a less stodgy email addy.

[paul11974]

im very tempted to swith to sky now

Originally Posted by James Henry

is it possibe to have two internet connections in windows xp pro, my motherboard has two ethernet ports, so i can run them independently for downloading etc ? any programs i need etc ?

You'd need Winroute or a dual WAN router or similar to load balance between two connections.

Unlimited may be able to assist better than me.[/quote]


I have the netgear fvs124g dual wan router. It works but its a pig of a router and very buggy. You can also use wingate but again its hit and miss. Its not a very easy action to carry out with the present versions of windows. There is options in linux but you need a good understanding of ipchains in linux to do it.

[grubbymitts]

I'm quite concerned that there are no in-depth terms and conditions on the Sky Broadband site. For all we know the first time you download an MP3/movie that you may not have the...ahem...right to, then they send around Inspector Knacker. This is Rupert "The Dirty Digger" Murdoch's business we're talking about here - I doubt he looks kindly on someone illegally downloading 20th Century Fox material via his own ISP.

As a Sky subscriber and a stand alone NTL cable subscriber I am very tempted (even if I can only get 2mb), but I would prefer to know what their T&Cs are (not that I ever download anything other than linux distros of course)

[James Henry]

Originally Posted by grubbymitts

I'm quite concerned that there are no in-depth terms and conditions on the Sky Broadband site. For all we know the first time you download an MP3/movie that you may not have the...ahem...right to, then they send around Inspector Knacker. This is Rupert "The Dirty Digger" Murdoch's business we're talking about here - I doubt he looks kindly on someone illegally downloading 20th Century Fox material via his own ISP.

As a Sky subscriber and a stand alone NTL cable subscriber I am very tempted (even if I can only get 2mb), but I would prefer to know what their T&Cs are (not that I ever download anything other than linux distros of course)

Actively monitoring and screening the content that users download is a bad idea as it gives a reasonable case to being sued for what users do, after all if you can monitor / screen it for your own purposes why can't you do this for everyone?

That's a bit 'tin foil hat' like, the AOL ISP is owned by AOL Time Warner and I seriously doubt that AOL subscribers are monitored to see if they are downloading Warner Bros films.

ISPs may need to keep records of what their users do but what you describe is extremely stupid, it would also need a lot of expensive hardware which isn't actually there. See the UKOnline forums on ADSLGuide, hardware that can 'peek' into traffic is on the network but only on the 'offnet' BT IPStream service and as far as I can see reading it no-one gets into trouble over what they download, just how much.

[grubbymitts]

the tin hat has never failed me yet.

I will have to dwell on it a little. I have registered interest, we'll see what happens

[popper]

Originally Posted by kronas

thanks, winroute ? google comes up with firewalls ?

it seems setting up a linux box and going through that is the best (cheapest) option.
http://www.experts-exchange.com/Netw..._21828553.html
if you look hard enough, you might find a livecd or a virtual emulator image somewere already half setup.

http://search.ntlworld.com/ntlworld/...ad+balance+&cr=
http://search.ntlworld.com/ntlworld/...ad+balance+&cr=
http://search.ntlworld.com/ntlworld/...tiple+ISPs+&cr=

[pedantic]

Originally Posted by James Henry

That's a bit 'tin foil hat' like, the AOL ISP is owned by AOL Time Warner and I seriously doubt that AOL subscribers are monitored to see if they are downloading Warner Bros films.

And with the imminent auction of AOL uk, it's even more unlikely they are monitored. If they did indeed have a window into what people were downloading, surely they would put off such an auction and wait until they had acquired a few cheap lawsuits first.