BBC Multicast

Chrysalis · 04-09-2005, 12:39

The BBC have started peering with isp's for their multicast service. I believe the following list is current showing already peered and soon to be peered isp's and NTL arent listed. Is NTL planning to provide this service, if unknown can Micke or another contact please ask thanks.

List of current providers:
JANET
C&W
Claranet
NetServices
Bogons.net
PIPEX

In progress :
Eclipse.net
Intervivo.net
Easynet

gooner4life · 04-09-2005, 13:26

I would assume NTL and BT Would provide the service, without them the BBC would not be reaching many households, i'd be surprised if all of the ISP's listed above with exception of PIPEX had combined subscriber numbers to compare with BT let alone NTL

DocDutch · 04-09-2005, 14:23

I think the reason the BBC is going for the "little" ISP's is to test if their systems are up to the amount of people going to use their servers.. if you would have NTL and BT with the list instantly the servers surely would overload due to massive demand. now they only have something in total like 1million users, with BT and NTL in there it would be close to 5 million or more even.

I would say give it 6 months max from when its released to the public on the listed ISPs for when it'll be NTL and BT users

Ignition · 04-09-2005, 17:47

You're misunderstanding the whole point of multicasting - to lower the bandwidth and server requirements from unicasting!

RileyM · 09-06-2006, 16:23

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis

The BBC have started peering with isp's for their multicast service. I believe the following list is current showing already peered and soon to be peered isp's and NTL arent listed. Is NTL planning to provide this service, if unknown can Micke or another contact please ask thanks.

List of current providers:
JANET
C&W
Claranet
NetServices
Bogons.net
PIPEX

In progress :
Eclipse.net
Intervivo.net
Easynet

I just wanted to ask about this now. Found the BBC/ITV multicast trail website and was surprised to see ntl not there. Any idea on if ntl plan to peer with the BBC on this?

jrhnewark · 10-06-2006, 00:50

I've emailed NTL about this with no reply. About time they do..

popper · 10-06-2006, 01:45

iv been banging on about Multicasting for a very long time, and it seems the likes of NTL will not Re-activate multicasting on their routers as a matter of course, BECAUSE they cant find a viable charging model and no other reason.

as iv said for years, it would open up a vast (old)new market, and save everyones bandwidth, and that includes the end users becoming far more effective for streaming their content to many people with nothing more than a single multicast UDP channel (, use VLC for instance, test MC for yourself in your own lan setup, it works a treat).

at least anyone within the NTL network if nothing else, thats assuming they dont want to peer with the EU multicasting network or some other Org (because of cost etc).

you can use multicasting today by tunneling into the multicasted ISP's network, such as the 'SURFnet Detective' app people use and run as part of the vast EU network, alas NTL dont seem to care about the inovation, just the cash......

RileyM · 11-06-2006, 11:32

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Originally Posted by popper

iv been banging on about Multicasting for a very long time, and it seems the likes of NTL will not Re-activate multicasting on their routers as a matter of course, BECAUSE they cant find a viable charging model and no other reason.

as iv said for years, it would open up a vast (old)new market, and save everyones bandwidth, and that includes the end users becoming far more effective for streaming their content to many people with nothing more than a single multicast UDP channel (, use VLC for instance, test MC for yourself in your own lan setup, it works a treat).

at least anyone within the NTL network if nothing else, thats assuming they dont want to peer with the EU multicasting network or some other Org (because of cost etc).

you can use multicasting today by tunneling into the multicasted ISP's network, such as the 'SURFnet Detective' app people use and run as part of the vast EU network, alas NTL dont seem to care about the inovation, just the cash......

That's quite sad as they are one of the countries biggest ISPs. So there's no we us ntl suers can try out the BBC multicasting trial if ntl don't plan to support it, is there?

11-06-2006, 13:47

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Originally Posted by RileyM

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Originally Posted by popper

iv been banging on about Multicasting for a very long time, and it seems the likes of NTL will not Re-activate multicasting on their routers as a matter of course, BECAUSE they cant find a viable charging model and no other reason.

as iv said for years, it would open up a vast (old)new market, and save everyones bandwidth, and that includes the end users becoming far more effective for streaming their content to many people with nothing more than a single multicast UDP channel (, use VLC for instance, test MC for yourself in your own lan setup, it works a treat).

at least anyone within the NTL network if nothing else, thats assuming they dont want to peer with the EU multicasting network or some other Org (because of cost etc).

you can use multicasting today by tunneling into the multicasted ISP's network, such as the 'SURFnet Detective' app people use and run as part of the vast EU network, alas NTL dont seem to care about the inovation, just the cash......

That's quite sad as they are one of the countries biggest ISPs. So there's no we us ntl suers can try out the BBC multicasting trial if ntl don't plan to support it, is there?

If NTL cannot charge you for it they will not let you have.

Stuart · 11-06-2006, 15:26

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Originally Posted by unlimited

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Originally Posted by RileyM

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Originally Posted by popper

iv been banging on about Multicasting for a very long time, and it seems the likes of NTL will not Re-activate multicasting on their routers as a matter of course, BECAUSE they cant find a viable charging model and no other reason.

as iv said for years, it would open up a vast (old)new market, and save everyones bandwidth, and that includes the end users becoming far more effective for streaming their content to many people with nothing more than a single multicast UDP channel (, use VLC for instance, test MC for yourself in your own lan setup, it works a treat).

at least anyone within the NTL network if nothing else, thats assuming they dont want to peer with the EU multicasting network or some other Org (because of cost etc).

you can use multicasting today by tunneling into the multicasted ISP's network, such as the 'SURFnet Detective' app people use and run as part of the vast EU network, alas NTL dont seem to care about the inovation, just the cash......

That's quite sad as they are one of the countries biggest ISPs. So there's no we us ntl suers can try out the BBC multicasting trial if ntl don't plan to support it, is there?

If NTL cannot charge you for it they will not let you have.

Same as any business. I don't see Sky trialing multicast on Easynet..

11-06-2006, 16:27

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Originally Posted by Stuart C

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Originally Posted by unlimited

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Originally Posted by RileyM

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Originally Posted by popper

iv been banging on about Multicasting for a very long time, and it seems the likes of NTL will not Re-activate multicasting on their routers as a matter of course, BECAUSE they cant find a viable charging model and no other reason.

as iv said for years, it would open up a vast (old)new market, and save everyones bandwidth, and that includes the end users becoming far more effective for streaming their content to many people with nothing more than a single multicast UDP channel (, use VLC for instance, test MC for yourself in your own lan setup, it works a treat).

at least anyone within the NTL network if nothing else, thats assuming they dont want to peer with the EU multicasting network or some other Org (because of cost etc).

you can use multicasting today by tunneling into the multicasted ISP's network, such as the 'SURFnet Detective' app people use and run as part of the vast EU network, alas NTL dont seem to care about the inovation, just the cash......

That's quite sad as they are one of the countries biggest ISPs. So there's no we us ntl suers can try out the BBC multicasting trial if ntl don't plan to support it, is there?

If NTL cannot charge you for it they will not let you have.

Same as any business. I don't see Sky trialing multicast on Easynet..

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis

List of current providers:
JANET
C&W
Claranet
NetServices
Bogons.net
PIPEX

In progress :
Eclipse.net
Intervivo.net
Easynet

?

Stuart · 11-06-2006, 16:42

I just checked the current list. Easynet are NOT on it.

Also note that despite C&W being on the list, bulldog are excluded

http://www.bbc.co.uk/multicast/

11-06-2006, 16:52

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Originally Posted by Stuart C

I just checked the current list. Easynet are NOT on it.

Also note that despite C&W being on the list, bulldog are excluded

http://www.bbc.co.uk/multicast/

Then i stand corrected.

However i dont think NTL will offer it anyway. They cannot even provide DNS correctly so how they could offer anything as technical as this is beyond them in my opinion

Stuart · 11-06-2006, 17:05

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Originally Posted by unlimited

However i dont think NTL will offer it anyway. They cannot even provide DNS correctly so how they could offer anything as technical as this is beyond them in my opinion

True. However, NTL provide a lot of the backbone for janet. so their networks can obviously handle it. Admittedly, that's not ntl home.

Chrysalis · 12-06-2006, 04:18

that list I posted was correct at the time, this thread originated a while ago so things can change.