10 meg unlimited?

[jtwn]

What has the fact that ntl own their network got to do with anything?

ISPs such as Plusnet and Pipex buy bandwidth off BT with their IP Stream product. If BT rises the price then such ISPs have to adjust their product to contend with this.

Sorry for sounding so hostile but you don't half **** me off sometimes with your rather inane comments.

[etccarmageddon]

so what you're saying is as NTL own their network, there is no justification for a comparison with other ISPs that traffic shape where they dont own their network.

[MovedGoalPosts]

Kindly avoid the flaming of each other. Debate the issues, not the posting styles thanks.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by jtwn

ISPs such as Plusnet and Pipex buy bandwidth off BT with their IP Stream product. If BT rises the price then such ISPs have to adjust their product to contend with this.

Right-so I'll ask again....

"Why do ntl have caps in place?"

I'll give you a clue-maybe it because the internet exists outside of the ntl network?

Originally Posted by jtwn

Sorry for sounding so hostile

Apology accepted.

Originally Posted by jtwn

but you don't half **** me off sometimes with your rather inane comments.

Perhaps you could qualify which of my comments was 'inane' (& why)?

[Graham M]

For God's sake what has everyone been breathing lately that is causing forum members to start dropping with this "plague" and mouthing off at each other!?!? It worries me, it really does.

[DaggaDagga]

Are Neil and jtwn ex-lovers or something? Serious hormones.

I would guess that uncapped 10Mb without traffic shaping would be pretty unlikely.

[jtwn]

so what you're saying is as NTL own their network, there is no justification for a comparison with other ISPs that traffic shape where they dont own their network.

No, I'm not.




So why do they have caps?

Well before the recent upgrades, to cover themselves to boot off people who eat resources and degrading service for others would be a good guess.

Now, because current local infrastructure struggles with many on 10mb. The mere fact that they blabbed about 50mb, 100mb etc, shows that the local networks are going to have to change to support it and hopefully alleviate the current teething problems of oversubscription of higher tier users.

I doubt its your idea of the case of peering arrangements are costing them that they have to cap people to what they are, otherwise you would be seeing that happening with the practically unlimited LLU providers and other unlimited providers on the continentent.

[IanUK]

Originally Posted by jtwn

I doubt its your idea of the case of peering arrangements are costing them that they have to cap people to what they are, otherwise you would be seeing that happening with the practically unlimited LLU providers and other unlimited providers on the continentent.

At the risk of jumping into this lovers tiff

NTL's peering is seriously undermanaged, this affects everyone regardless of local problems (although of course local problems can make everything slow), I'd side with Neil on this one as the only possible reason I can see for them ignoring the terrible peering problems with some routes is precisely because it would cost them a ton of money, otherwise they would fix peering and get some well needed good will.

Either that or they just hate us all and don't care...

hmmmmmm

[jtwn]

Eh, I'm allowed to have the hormones.

Neil 'Age 38' should know better.

[bonzoe]

An earlier post indicated sales news would be out in 4 hours, anyone know if it was released and what it was?

[Neil]

Originally Posted by jtwn

So why do they have caps?

Well before the recent upgrades, to cover themselves to boot off people who eat resources and degrading service for others would be a good guess.

Is that an educated guess?

So why did they introduce their caps-what was it, 2 or 3 years ago now?

Originally Posted by jtwn

I doubt its your idea of the case of peering arrangements are costing them that they have to cap people to what they are, otherwise you would be seeing that happening with the practically unlimited LLU providers and other unlimited providers on the continentent.

There's no such thing as a 'practically unlimited' LLU provider-it's either unlimited or it's not (it's like referring to something as quite unique)

---------- Post added at 19:09 ---------- Previous post was at 19:08 ----------

Originally Posted by jtwn

Eh, I'm allowed to have the hormones.

Neil 'Age 38' should know better.

Ooooohhhhhhhh.......

[handyman]

I'm surprised no one has read the threads on this and the clues from the people in the know, or maybe you don't know which people are in the know.

Looks like ntl have equipment installed that can monitor and traffic shape.
With this in place they can open up the service as unlimited and keep the peak times nice and speedy for the people surfing ebay and checking their mail whilst leaving the night time for the p2p leechers.

I already traffic shape my own bt adsl connection as there are 7 PC's on the network and whilst its tempting to be caning the connection 24/7 I have to make suer that theres sufficient bandwidth for them. So from 11pm till 8am its unlimited to my pc other times dropped back to a 1/6 of the download bandwidth and 1/4 upload.

If I was on ntl this would not make any difference to me at all.

[jtwn]

Originally Posted by Neil

Is that an educated guess?

So why did they introduce their caps-what was it, 2 or 3 years ago now?

See the part beginning 'Well, before the recent upgrades..'

There's no such thing as a 'practically unlimited' LLU provider-it's either unlimited or it's not (it's like referring to something as quite unique)

I'd call 500gb pretty much unlimited going with todays compression and sizes. Now I do believe anybody has the right to do what the want but thats just getting insane.

Ooooohhhhhhhh.......

I mean

(such a comedian me)

[Graham M]

Thats about 125 decent sized Linux Distros (500gb)

[2||Para]

Lets see if NTL can get the correct speeds on current tiers before they even think of Unlimited connections for 10MB.Had nothing but trouble for the last 3 weeks on my poorly 1MB connection.