Should they be published in the UK?

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Nugget

That is a bit of a sweeping generalisation Rammy - as a religious group, Muslims have every right to be upset if these cartoons break a specific 'guideline' within their tradition (ie not producing a representation of Muhammed).

The guideline is up for debate.......many images of Muhamed exist already. The original cartoons were embellished with other, far more insulting ones as well.

TBH, I feel that using examples such as 9/11 or the London bombings is somewhat disingenuous - these weren't particularly done in the name of Islam

Of course they were....and the demonstrators last week were supporting those acts in the name of Islam.

Using these examples does seem to tar all Muslims with the same brush which, in my opinion, is simply wrong.

That's the purpose of this thread......I feel that it is wrong of 'mainstream' Muslims to get so violently uptight over cartoons (which are after all merely poking fun at the fanatical element in their midst) whilst getting not nearly as worked up over many atrocities perpetrated by their own on us. I am trying to work out if I am wrong here or not.......




lol......I'm in the wrong thread as well

Originally Posted by Ramrod

lol......I'm in the wrong thread as well

There is a certain amount of convergence between the two

[Chrysalis]

I am surprised noone has reacted to the messages on some of their banners in london.

"massacre all that publish the pictures"
"say no to freedom of speach"

if they dont like it they free to move back to the middle east.

[j52c]

What annoys me about all this, is that I have never seen in the news of any muslims condeming the the suicide bombers in Iraq who deliberateley target innocent men, women and children, even bombing funeral processions and in some cases hospitals. What I do here from muslim organisations is that the people in Iraq have the right to defend against foreign military occupations. Only the demands that we pull our troops out.

My answer to that firstly that the majority of leaders of these bombers are not from Iraq, and secondly, we are not targetting the innocent. The times we here that muslims look after their brothers, well, they are not looking after the innocent in Iraq, maybe they could have a march in support of them, which I very much doubt.

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Of course they were....and the demonstrators last week were supporting those acts in the name of Islam. That's the purpose of this thread......I feel that it is wrong of 'mainstream' Muslims to get so violently uptight over cartoons (which are after all merely poking fun at the fanatical element in their midst) whilst getting not nearly as worked up over many atrocities perpetrated by their own on us. I am trying to work out if I am wrong here or not.......

lol......I'm in the wrong thread as well

To say that 9/11 was done in the name of Islam is one thing but to imply that it was done in the name of Islam and the majority of mainstream muslims agree with that (because you later say its mainstream muslims that are getting violently uptight over the pictures) is totally wrong.
All mainstraim muslim groups after 9/11 took adverts in the national press to condemn 9/11 as they did on the news and other programmes. 200 people waving hate filled placards on the streets of london is not representative of mainstream Islam in the UK

[punky]

Holy s**t

But look how many Arabic/Muslim names are at the bottom...

Also, interesting to see Rushdie getting in on the act. But thinking about it, there was a similar outcry over The Satanic Verses wern't there? Quite violent protests, but it soon died down... Speaking of which, haven't heard a lot about cartoon protests lately... Have Muslims just given up and accepted it then?

Looks like the 'Church in Wales is in trouble (BBC):

The Church in Wales has appealed to 500 subscribers to its magazine to return their copies after it printed a cartoon satirising the Prophet Muhammad.

Will this lead to further mad protests?

After all, this was the cartoon that France Soir used for it's front page when they re-published the Danish cartoons:

The drawing - which was from the French magazine France Soir - satirises the Prophet Muhammad by depicting him sitting on a heavenly cloud with Buddha, and Christian and Jewish deities.
He is being told "don't complain...we've all been caricatured here".

As I see it, this cartoon is satirising the reaction to the original cartoons.

Although in other reports the comment is being addressed to 'Muhammad' - it's not as if that's an uncommon name among Muslims. (Similarly the use of Jesus in South America - I have always thought it rather presumptuous to use the name of a 'deity' like that.) The point being, that it only becomes the 'Prophet Muhammad' if someone chooses to see it as such. i.e. whether the cartoon is a 'depiction' of the Prophet is arguable.

mmm mm mmm.... I predict a riot... mmm mm mm

[Russ]

I'll keep you guys posted on any news of churches around here getting torched....

[basa]

Originally Posted by Tuftus

mmm mm mmm.... I predict a riot... mmm mm mm

You mean about this of course

Originally Posted by basa

You mean about this of course

Oh really?

Originally Posted by BBC

Police said they would keep an eye on the situation, but did not expect any trouble from the protesters.

And I don't see the show's producers cowering or withdrawing performances for fear of inflaming Christian opinion either ....

Originally Posted by basa

You mean about this of course

It was more a poke at the stupidity over what is only a sodding cartoon really...

[Kymmy]

And so many years later some fanatic finally tries to make good on the threats

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8437433.stm

Danish police have shot and wounded a man at the home of Kurt Westergaard, whose cartoon depicting the Prophet Muhammad sparked an international row.

Mr Westergaard scrambled with his young granddaughter into a panic room at his home in Aarhus after a man wielding an axe and a knife broke in.

Danish officials said the intruder was a 28-year-old Somali linked to the radical Islamist al-Shabab militia.

Originally Posted by Kymmy

And so many years later some fanatic finally tries to make good on the threats

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8437433.stm

Such a shame the attacker didn't get his 72 raisins....

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

It would appear that someone has been embelishing the facts to stir up anti western hatred



Interesting reading

Interesting, If I remember correctly?

The author of the book Londonistan, claimed that muslims re-circulated the newspaper cartoons to stir up trouble. To spice things up a bit they also included extra cartoons that were more offensive than the original ones printed by the newspapers.