Should they be published in the UK? - Page 22

**Maggy** · 07-02-2006, 15:35

Well to those who think that the muslim's who live here are just panting to turn us all into muslims I can only think what utter tosh...I as an athiest will fight to the death not to be forced to belong to any religion and I would fight just as hard to make sure that everyone can worship as they choose.This is an increasing secular country which makes it much harder for any religious extremist to take over.Our political system will protect us all from being forced in any particular religion.This is the 21 st century not the 16th.

And before I get to the point where I scream at some people's ridiculous idea that a few Muslims demonstrating about a few what were offensive to them cartoons is an indication that the screaming hordes are about to arise and take over,I'm really splitting from this thread because I will be getting myself banned otherwise.

herbert clinker · 07-02-2006, 15:41

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Originally Posted by Nugget

Sitting on the fence? How exactly am I sitting on the fence?

What is it you know that the rest of us don't? The day will come when I have to make a choice? I can categorically state that I will never 'turn Muslim' (and I'd like to take this opportunity to congratulate you for yet another wonderful turn of phrase

) - that's got nothing to do with me disagreeing with Islam or siding with Christianity though; it's to do with the fact that I don't belief in God or Allah. As I've said before, I'm an atheist, so I'm hardly going to make a choice between a God I don't believe in and another God I don't believe in.

One of the reasons people come out and say 'there won't be a multi-cultural society' is because they don't like the one that they live in. I, on the other hand, appreciate what everybody brings to this country - I accept that some Muslims have acted in an irresponsible manner over the last few days, but Christians are just as capable of acting like @rses when it suits.

Oh, and if you want a reason for the increase in the number of extremists or radicals in the world nowadays, may I respectfully suggest that you start by studying American foreign policy over the last 10 years - it might give you a few pointers as to why the western world (and particularly the US and UK) are so bloody unpopular...

you still don't see do you in the world of the extremist muslim you would be made to worship allah or you would be put to death.
and i might have known you would blame it on the americans seeing as you have a go at the americans every chance you get.
and the increase in extremism couldn't be to do with the fact that muslim extremists marry have children and then there offspring become extremists could it.like i said its just a question of mathematics.
and another thing i was born when this country was mainly a christian country.why should i have to sit back and accept the country of my birth becoming multicultural.just because a load of left wing liberals say its nice to be multicultural.

07-02-2006, 15:49

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Originally Posted by Incognitas

Well to those who think that the muslim's who live here are just panting to turn us all into muslims I can only think what utter tosh...

Probably they are not. But many others in the world are.

And we've seen often enough, that when it comes to it, Islam is more important to many Muslims than any notion of community, family or nationality.

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Originally Posted by Incognitas

I as an athiest will fight to the death not to be forced to belong to any religion and I would fight just as hard to make sure that everyone can worship as they choose.

Though I too would defend my beliefs, I'd rather not have to fight to the death to remain who I am.

Nugget · 07-02-2006, 15:55

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Originally Posted by herbert clinker

you still don't see do you in the world of the extremist muslim you would be made to worship allah or you would be put to death.
and i might have known you would blame it on the americans seeing as you have a go at the americans every chance you get.
and the increase in extremism couldn't be to do with the fact that muslim extremists marry have children and then there offspring become extremists could it.like i said its just a question of mathematics.
and another i was born when this country was mainly a christian country.why should i have to sit back and accept the country of my birth becoming multicultural.just because a load of left wing liberals say its nice to be multicultural.

Yes, and what you don't understand is that I don't live 'in the world of the extremist muslim' and, as Coggy pointed out, the secular nature of this country makes it extremely unlikely that any religion could control it.

As for the Americans, where exactly have I had a go at them? I'm actually quite fond of the Americans as a group of people, and would quite like to visit their fine country. The only American I really have an issue with is their president and, as I have said on a number of occasions, that's mostly due to the fact that he hasn't got the intelligence to put his socks on in the dark.

Anyway, that's O/T - I'm also interested in your mathematics. Do all extremist Muslims have extremist children? If so, well done for finally putting that old 'nature / nurture' argument to bed. What rubbish - my parents are both members of the church, whereas I'm an atheist. You choose your own path these days...

Oh, and I'm not saying that you have to accept multi-culturalism - that's your choice. It won't make a blind bit of difference, because you do live in a multi-cultural society. I'd be interested to know how old you are actually, because the UK was 'mostly Christian' when I was born - I've just been lucky enough to be around in a period when the world has become that little bit smaller.

punky · 07-02-2006, 15:55

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Originally Posted by Incognitas

Well to those who think that the muslim's who live here are just panting to turn us all into muslims I can only think what utter tosh...

Our political system will protect us all from being forced in any particular religion.This is the 21 st century not the 16th

Please, don't leave this thread for good. As someone else said, your reasoned posts are a breath of fresh air.

The thing is Coggy, there are Muslims living in this country (albeit a small amount) who would like to turn this country into an Islamic state, complete with Sharia law. We aren't alone, most, if not all countries with a sizeable Muslim population have some people demanding this. Most likely, they will never achieve their aim, but the worry is on a few people's minds, would they ever put try? Its far fetched, but its happened before in other places. We never know how many people think like this. We only know the ones who are vocal about it.

Islam is the only religion that includes in its holy scriptures the declaration that Islam is the only religion that's allowed to exist. And some, who knows how many, of its followers take that word for word.

Nugget · 07-02-2006, 15:57

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Originally Posted by punky

<snip>Islam is the only religion that includes in its holy scriptures the declaration that Islam is the only religion that's allowed to exist. And some, who knows how many, of its followers take that word for word.

Actually, serious question, but doesn't the Bible say something about 'worshipping no other God but me'?

TheDaddy · 07-02-2006, 16:01

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Originally Posted by Nugget

Actually, serious question, but doesn't the Bible say something about 'worshipping no other God but me'?

Thats the Old Testament, not really relevant to Christians.

Escapee · 07-02-2006, 16:01

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Originally Posted by ScaredWebWarrior

Probably they are not. But many others in the world are.

And we've seen often enough, that when it comes to it, Islam is more important to many Muslims than any notion of community, family or nationality.
Though I too would defend my beliefs, I'd rather not have to fight to the death to remain who I am.

I do believe that in time the majority of this country will be muslims, I believe the country will be controlled by muslims and the level of tolerance we currently have in this country will dissapear and become in their favour.

I would not like to guess timescales, and perhaps I will not see it in my lifetime but I do however believe it will happen. That opinion does not however make me a BNP supporting racist, just someone looking at the country, politics, religion and making an educated guess at the future in store for the UK. I honestly believe in years to come the grandchildren of many of the current "liberally minded" will curse them for their liberal attitudes, their bowing down to all and sundry and generally handing everything on a plate.

As I said, it doesn't make me racist just because I think this will eventually happen.

07-02-2006, 16:01

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Originally Posted by Nugget

Actually, serious question, but doesn't the Bible say something about 'worshipping no other God but me'?

It's one of the 10 commandments.

The difference being that (certainly since the Crusades) no (mainstream) christian church has suggested forcing that on anyone, or making it obligatory for non-christians.

Jon M · 07-02-2006, 16:02

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Originally Posted by Nugget

Actually, serious question, but doesn't the Bible say something about 'worshipping no other God but me'?

Yes, it does... but "not worshipping other gods" is very different to killing those who do.

07-02-2006, 16:02

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Thats the Old Testament, not really relevant to Christians.

Eh? Since when? What branch of christianity are you speaking on behalf of?

Jon M · 07-02-2006, 16:04

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Thats the Old Testament, not really relevant to Christians.

On the contrary, the Old Testament is as relevant as the New.
Without reading and understanding the Old Testament law for example, how would any Christian appreciate how Jesus fulfilled it ?

Nugget · 07-02-2006, 16:05

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Originally Posted by Jon M

Yes, it does... but "not worshipping other gods" is very different to killing those who do.

Well, that's the Crusades buggered than

Jon M · 07-02-2006, 16:05

Lot's of horrendous acts have been done under the pretence of following God, the Crusades being one.
There is nothing whatsoever in the Bible that encourages or condones the killing of others.

Before I get dragged further into this... please can we get back on topic.

07-02-2006, 16:06

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Originally Posted by Nugget

Well, that's the Crusades buggered than

Should have read my post instead, then