Should they be published in the UK? - Page 17

herbert clinker · 06-02-2006, 18:13

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

Gather as much information as possible, such as filming members of the protest breaking the law several times (rather than stopping them after the first) then once a case has been built and the CPS believe that a conviction can be made, quietly arrest the suspect and put them through the legal system.

what about the ones wearing scarves over there faces and the ones with there hoods up.
don't tell me the police have got camera's that can see through them.

and whats to say once the police start arresting them,the muslims won't come out on the streets in support of there people and start rioting then.

imho its a case of leave it,make excuses and then when all the fuss dies down forget about it.

NitroNutter · 06-02-2006, 18:19

Hmmmm Protestors dressed as suicide bombers etc, :/
People have been shot for carrying a chair leg or some other misinformation about a firearm or bomb as a mistake, all I can say is he was damn lucky he got to apologise.

etccarmageddon · 06-02-2006, 21:08

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Originally Posted by Russ D

As a UK citizen I'd feel a LOT safer if these people were prosecuted instead of being allowed to encourage people to kill me.

I couldn't have put it better myself.

driver_problems · 06-02-2006, 21:12

to me the whole thing reminds me of that addage about the flapping of a butterflies wings in china etc becoming a tidal wave etc - one minute some oik draws a moustache on a poster - next thing - mayhem. dogma incarnate - mostly from people who have not even seen the cartoons anyway

Ramrod · 06-02-2006, 21:14

Apparently the 'suicide bomber' chappy may yet go to jail.......he was out on parole after serving half of a 5 year sentence for drug dealing.

Russ · 06-02-2006, 21:15

BBC news has just said the suicide bomber-a-like is a convicted drug dealer who was serving the second half of his 5 year sentence out in the community, the condition of which means if he gets in trouble, he's back inside.

If I may appear cynical for a moment, that I think was the reason for his apology.

edit: Grrrr @ Rammy

Orior · 06-02-2006, 21:20

The suicide bomber has publicly apologised. Hmmm so thats okay then. We should all bid him good day and get on with out lives. But Muslims dont have to forgive and forget, do they?

driver_problems · 06-02-2006, 21:23

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Originally Posted by Orior

The suicide bomber has publicly apologised. Hmmm so thats okay then. We should all bid him good day and get on with out lives. But Muslims dont have to forgive and forget, do they?

It's bloody deja vu all over again! You watch if that ***** Max Clifford gets involved - and he will (comments my own and not the sites as per normal)

Pia · 06-02-2006, 21:25

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Originally Posted by Orior

The suicide bomber has publicly apologised. Hmmm so thats okay then. We should all bid him good day and get on with out lives. But Muslims dont have to forgive and forget, do they?

True.
I haven't kept completel;y up to date with all this tbh, but i'm wondering, with the Muslims waving the threatening banners around, are 'we' scared to upset them too much in case they come and bomb us?

Because, like has already been said, i doubt if similar threats and behaviour would be tolerated so patiently in other circumstances.

driver_problems · 06-02-2006, 21:27

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Originally Posted by Pia

True.
I haven't kept completel;y up to date with all this tbh, but i'm wondering, with the Muslims waving the threatening banners around, are 'we' scared to upset them too much in case they come and bomb us?

Because, like has already been said, i doubt if similar threats and behaviour would be tolerated so patiently in other circumstances.

indeed. If i decided to take up a poster saying "I hate n"ggers" I wonder how long I would be roaming free

I suspect my post won't be roaming free for long either

06-02-2006, 21:35

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Originally Posted by driver_problems

indeed. If i decided to take up a poster saying "I hate n"ggers" I wonder how long I would be roaming free

I'm pretty sure the local plod would be round to feel yer collar, not as fast as if you were doing 31 in a 30 zone but pretty darned fast.

And thats my point, I went against Combat 18, got death threats made to me from a group with links to the UVF etc. I had my parents house vandalised, several times people tried to assault me in the street....I say attempted cos I'm not sure if they were punching or tickling......I was punching and injuring.
What did I do? I reported someone I knew putting swasticas on a living room window of a hindu family over the road. That person was charged with possesion of litrature with intent to incite racial hatred.

So what exactly are the police and this pathetic excuse of a government and criminal justice system going to do about the threats to ALL our lives made by these idiots?
Is it going to take another bombing with innocent lives lost before we get tough, or are we never gpoing to get tough, and why do I say get tough, it isnt tough its the law.
For those that dont like it, please immediatly make your way to the nearest air/sea port and by a single to elsewhere. Thankyou very much.

Xaccers · 06-02-2006, 21:37

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Originally Posted by Russ D

To record the number plates of people who drive off without paying for petrol.

Sorry, I was referring to the ones inside the petrol station not on the forecourt.
Likewise with cameras in banks etc.

Russ, do you really believe that if the police had started arresting people there and then, it would have been all calm and happy and the rest of the world would have been fine with it?

Surely you can see it's much better to obtain as much evidence as possible (better to catch someone breaking the law than prevent them doing it and leaving them free to break it when the police aren't around) and make arrests at a later date, each one leading to more (such as with the scarf wearing ones).

What interested me was one plackard mentioned 3/11, now is that the 11th March, or is that the 3rd November?

driver_problems · 06-02-2006, 21:41

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Originally Posted by timewarrior2001

I'm pretty sure the local plod would be round to feel yer collar, not as fast as if you were doing 31 in a 30 zone but pretty darned fast.

And thats my point, I went against Combat 18, got death threats made to me from a group with links to the UVF etc. I had my parents house vandalised, several times people tried to assault me in the street....I say attempted cos I'm not sure if they were punching or tickling......I was punching and injuring.
What did I do? I reported someone I knew putting swasticas on a living room window of a hindu family over the road. That person was charged with possesion of litrature with intent to incite racial hatred.

So what exactly are the police and this pathetic excuse of a government and criminal justice system going to do about the threats to ALL our lives made by these idiots?
Is it going to take another bombing with innocent lives lost before we get tough, or are we never gpoing to get tough, and why do I say get tough, it isnt tough its the law.
For those that dont like it, please immediatly make your way to the nearest air/sea port and by a single to elsewhere. Thankyou very much.

Indeed. the beloved BBC (of which a different thread is on about the licence) ran a program about "racisim -is it on the increase?" and for a backdrop picture showed a picture of a mosque. Now this is wrong to me! How dare they think its all a sort of valve coming from the 'white mans/western' way?!!! Surely these things are applicable to any group atttempting to be the aggresor?

Russ · 06-02-2006, 21:46

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

Sorry, I was referring to the ones inside the petrol station not on the forecourt.
Likewise with cameras in banks etc.

Because a lot of crime goes on whilst people are queuing (pick-pocketing, looking over shoulders to memorise people's account details) and let's be honest, if someone is going to try to cause as little commotion as possible, they are hardly likely to wait in the queue wearing a Saddam mask are they? A lot of the time they look like normal people who hand over a note saying "I have a gun blah blah...put money in the bag blah..."

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

Russ, do you really believe that if the police had started arresting people there and then, it would have been all calm and happy and the rest of the world would have been fine with it?

If they'd brought in enough officers then a good example would have been set. As it stands now all the protestors (some of whom want to kill you too btw) who wore disguises are safe in the knowledge they can do this again and get away with inciting murder as long as they remember to bring a good scarf

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

Surely you can see it's much better to obtain as much evidence as possible (better to catch someone breaking the law than prevent them doing it and leaving them free to break it when the police aren't around) and make arrests at a later date, each one leading to more (such as with the scarf wearing ones).

...thereby giving people plenty of time to go to ground.

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

What interested me was one plackard mentioned 3/11, now is that the 11th March, or is that the 3rd November?

No idea. Perhaps what you thought was a 3 was actually a 9.

Pia · 06-02-2006, 21:52

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Originally Posted by driver_problems

Indeed. the beloved BBC (of which a different thread is on about the licence) ran a program about "racisim -is it on the increase?" and for a backdrop picture showed a picture of a mosque. Now this is wrong to me! How dare they think its all a sort of valve coming from the 'white mans/western' way?!!! Surely these things are applicable to any group atttempting to be the aggresor?

I agree it's very much blamed on white/western people for being racist when actually it is the other races that can be as bad/worse.

I think though that with them being the minority in the UK they play on that, they know racism towards them won't be tolerated, so a few Muslims go and do this. I wonder why people have this view on them...

It's kinda like saying 'don't assume we'll all murder you, but our ethnic group will threaten you will bombings and wonder why you're racist towards us'

I feel for the majority of muslims that will now be tarred with that brush.
I think i'm possibly a bit racist, because at train stations or wherever since the 7/7 bombing it's crossed my mind when i've seen a Muslim with a large bag. I know that's very shallow minded to think, but like i say it only crossed my mind.
Still, i bet i'm not the only one.

Though i do think those people with the banners should simply have been sent out of our country. Imagine going anywhere in the world and threatening them with bombings over some cartoons? Wouldn't happen.
But i'm pretty sure i haven't said anything that hasn't already been said,