Should they be published in the UK? - Page 9

Mails Crushed · 03-02-2006, 19:17

marky · 03-02-2006, 19:20

I think i will just give up, i'm going to eat part of a cow now, yum yum

altis · 03-02-2006, 19:28

If we kept our culture to ourselves then that would be fine - but we don't. One of the fundamental premises of capitalism is finding new (and easy) markets. The last time we were in Romania our friend, Valentine, insisted on taking us to their new McDonalds restaurant - they are vitually everywhere. And these days news is practically instant and global.

Ask an American and I guess he couldn't see anything wrong with this. But, having had a few wars in our own back yard, we Europeans are a little more used to rubbing along with our neighbours. Trouble is, we all have short memories and these Yanks are kinda persuasive aren't they.

Frank · 03-02-2006, 19:28

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Originally Posted by marky

We live in a western culture, there is no way we should change just for them.Like it or lump it.

I don't think its a question of changing, more of consideration. It is ironic, however, that some people who have fled to the west from an oppressed culture complain about freedom of press.

marky · 03-02-2006, 19:31

I think i'll leave this thread, before i get to wound up

03-02-2006, 19:31

My opinion on Islam hasn't change. I've never thought it compatible with western values I don't know any other culture that cause's so much trouble

etccarmageddon · 03-02-2006, 19:34

MTV is part of the western culture - if you dont like what you see on it then it's the same as complaining you dont like what you see on a TV channel of another culture. You dont involve yourself if you dont like what you see.

TheDaddy · 03-02-2006, 22:20

The only people that will do well out of this are flag maker's. I see the U.S. and Britain were full of condemnation for publishing the cartoons, so it's alright (rightly/wrongly) to bomb thousand's of muslim's and invade their countries but under no circumstances must you poke fun at them, is it just me or should we have kept our mouth's firmly shut on this one.

Ramrod · 03-02-2006, 23:33

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Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

If I exercised the right of freedom of speach to walk up to someone and start slagging of their mother or sister, calling her a whore etc etc I would more than likely get a violent response. The problem here is that people are disregarding how much love and to what a level of esteem muslims hold the Prophet Muhammed in. Freedom of speech is one think, but applying it to cause offence (and not for one minute do I think the editors did not think they were going to cause offence) is just being the catalyst for ongoing problems.

If they have decided to live in the nice safe free speech West then they should just stfu if the West's freedom of speech allows for a sense of humour.

04-02-2006, 00:43

I could hazard a guess or two as to who finds Jesus posts offensive but i'll let you do the detective work

As for "binge drinking" that is a problem within our culture and one that is being addressed nationally. I fail to see how much damage has been made by a few ****heads to that done by religious fanatics who blow buildings/tubes/buses up? As we face face up to the problems in our culture i see no reason why others shouldn't address there own.

Mr Angry · 04-02-2006, 00:49

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Originally Posted by Shabba

I could hazard a guess or two as to who finds Jesus posts offensive but i'll let you do the detective work

As for "binge drinking" that is a problem within our culture and one that is being addressed nationally. I fail to see how much damage has been made by a few ****heads to that done by religious fanatics who blow buildings/tubes/buses up? As we face face up to the problems in our culture i see no reason why others shouldn't address there own.

Shabba, with all due respect.

Are you aware of the death by drink driving statistics for the UK in comparison to the death by blowing up buildings/tubes/buses statistics?

No? Thought not.

04-02-2006, 01:00

The problem of drink driving has been addressed and some measures have been made to help reduce the numbers involved. There is no way that you can prevent death by fanatics from other cultures that integrate into our society.

Mr Angry · 04-02-2006, 09:23

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Originally Posted by Shabba

The problem of drink driving has been addressed and some measures have been made to help reduce the numbers involved. There is no way that you can prevent death by fanatics from other cultures that integrate into our society.

This might come as a shock - but the fact of the matter is that many of the fanatics that you refer to actually form the very fabric of what you refer to as "our society".

It's this siege mentality of "our society" which causes a lot of the problems we see today. Many, if not the vast majority, of those protesters in London were british born and bred and, as such, have the same rights as any other british citizen should they elect to exercise them, be that freedom of speech or whatever.

Throughout time britain has colonized and occupied many many countries across the world. The colonial mentality was fine - let's teach them english, lets educate them etc etc. Why in God's name anyone would be surprised when second and third generation citizens of colonized countries decided to come and settle in what they perceive, and indeed were led to believe, to be the civilized centre of the universe is beyond comprehension.

The term "you will reap what you sow" is perhaps the best analogy as far as immigrant numbers are concerned. There are far too many issues and questions to be raised and addressed as far as a multicultural, multiethnic society in britain is concerned.

Of course blowing things up isn't the answer, calling for beheadings isn't the answer, 9/11 wasn't the answer but neither is going to war against a country, and ultimately a religion, on the basis of flawed intelligence. Until the tabloid press and the more radical non / anti muslim members of "our society" realize that tarring all muslims with the same brush as a few fanatics is tantamount to inviting them to blow things up - then I'm afraid that's how it will remain.

Anyone for a group hug?

04-02-2006, 09:35

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

The only people that will do well out of this are flag maker's. I see the U.S. and Britain were full of condemnation for publishing the cartoons, so it's alright (rightly/wrongly) to bomb thousand's of muslim's and invade their countries but under no circumstances must you poke fun at them, is it just me or should we have kept our mouth's firmly shut on this one.

Yes to free a country from a dictator they killed hundreds of thousands of his own people was wrong

Oh you forgot to mention how many people the suicide bombers have killed many of which dont even live in Iraq

Hom3r · 04-02-2006, 09:38

According to a timeline on the BBC website these pictures were published on the 30 sept 2005.

I begining to think it now an excuse to protest.

As far as i'm aware NO other group would want to kill/blow up anybody who offends there religion.

Look at the film 'Life of Brian' its was banned by the chathlic church, it caused a lot of trouble but as far as I know no one was threatened with death.

Also some muslim group was to wipe out all jews, double standards.