*All* ntl Cap Discussion (part 4)

is there anything available yet to monitor downloads and uploads?

[Chrysalis]

I am only guessing here but the situation is probably likely to be that they wont strictly enforce it in the short term and if your area isnt been saturated and the usage is reasonable not in the 100s of gig a month they may leave you alone, if they do enforce it then yes based on current events you would be moved to the 512kbit unmetered at 17.99 which then if you are out of the initial year contract I presume a call to retentions would get you put on the 2mbit unmetered for 24.99, if you in the initial 12 months then you would be stuffed although retentions still may take pitty.

[Ignition]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

I am only guessing here but the situation is probably likely to be that they wont strictly enforce it in the short term and if your area isnt been saturated and the usage is reasonable not in the 100s of gig a month they may leave you alone, if they do enforce it then yes based on current events you would be moved to the 512kbit unmetered at 17.99 which then if you are out of the initial year contract I presume a call to retentions would get you put on the 2mbit unmetered for 24.99, if you in the initial 12 months then you would be stuffed although retentions still may take pitty.

I've been reliably informed they wouldn't take pity, any people forcibly moved would stay as they are and not be retained.

Originally Posted by Ignition

I've been reliably informed they wouldn't take pity, any people forcibly moved would stay as they are and not be retained.

I know of at least 1 user that was refused point blank to be uplifted back up. He then said i want to leave and they let him with no argument whatsoever.


If you think about it. anyone that was or is being put on the 512 k bad boys service would have been warned at least once. What isp would want to keep a user that even after being warned has decided they are above the rules that the isp has set to ensure the well being of the network.

I for one class myself as a heavy user. 5 computers in the house with what are now 5 adults and a thirst for first run tv made sure of that . I am going on the 2 meg unlimited service, I then do not have to worry about being stuffed onto the bad boy service every time i would have gone over the cap.



As speeds go up and up Isp's will find it harder and harder to provide a unlimited service at the upper speeds. They will have 3 choices.

A. Limit bandwidth by hard capping.

B. Traffic shape the p2p and newsgroup services. "this is the one i think they will go for. They can hide it from the average user completely"

C. Offer unlimited services at the lower speeds only.

Give it a year and see if i am correct


The likes of BE and UKonline can offer unlimited on there 24 meg service due to the small area's they are in at the moment. Also they know that the majority of there users will never get close to the 24 meg speeds they are saying in there adverts due to distance from the exchange of the average user. There service the same as NTL is a upto service.

I have already be told due to the distance from the exchange that i will only get between 9 and 14 meg during the day if i decided to use UKonline, If i want BE then its late next year for me , However i will still be paying for 24 meg.


So for me its stay with NTL on a service that has hardly ever let me down and use the 2 meg unlimited option.

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Originally Posted by Dodger444

is there anything available yet to monitor downloads and uploads?

Not yet.

[Griffin]

Well i agree now we are being given the offer of 2mb unlimited, if you are stupid enough to stay on 10mb & go over the caps then the consequences are your own fault. I for one will be dropping down to 2mb unlimited later in the year

[BBDL]

Originally Posted by Griffin

Well i agree now we are being given the offer of 2mb unlimited, if you are stupid enough to stay on 10mb & go over the caps then the consequences are your own fault. I for one will be dropping down to 2mb unlimited later in the year

Best hurry up then................ only 2 days left.

[Griffin]

Originally Posted by BBDL

Best hurry up then................ only 2 days left.

Well as according to the emails sent out the unlimited version of 1mb & 2mb are being offered in Jan 2006, perhaps i shouldn't have assumed people would know it was 2006 i was talking about

I dont know... it just seems unfair of ntl to promise the customer the earth with 10Mb faster this faster that, download this download that, free broadband plus to download even more! faster upload speeds to upload even more! What will happen when they increase the bandwidth even more? will they up the cap like they have done from 30gig to 75gig whats the point, so they give us 25mb and up the cap to 100gig? - 200gig? lol... I cant see them carrying on doing this without charging for the extra usage or getting rid of it all together. It's like a stalemate situation, a no change situation, catch 22! We'll give u the faster speeds but you cant use them! oh no, if you do then we'll kick you back down to the lower slower speed. Something has to give. this is stupid!

[Griffin]

Originally Posted by Dodger444

I dont know... it just seems unfair of ntl to promise the customer the earth with 10Mb faster this faster that, download this download that, free broadband plus to download even more! faster upload speeds to upload even more! What will happen when they increase the bandwidth even more? will they up the cap like they have done from 30gig to 75gig whats the point, so they give us 25mb and up the cap to 100gig? - 200gig? lol... I cant see them carrying on doing this without charging for the extra usage or getting rid of it all together. It's like a stalemate situation, a no change situation, catch 22! We'll give u the faster speeds but you cant use them! oh no, if you do then we'll kick you back down to the lower slower speed. Something has to give. this is stupid!

If you think about the amount you can download with 2mb unlimited over a month, thats what they ought to make the cap for the top tier 10mb speed.
There again you would still be able to use that bandwidth up in 6 days, but at least it would seem fairer for anyone who wants the top speed.

[LenMackin]

You know we are all now talking about 'caps'. Once this was not an option, it was all about speed and the wonder of a permanent connection to the internet without the need to watch your phone bill. Slowly (at least in the UK) we are seeing the insidious rise of the 'cap'. Initial outrage of about 18 months ago has turned to .. "well maybe xxxgigs a month is ok/people who do xxxgig should be downgraded/I'll stay with a slow speed so i can download more" slowly we are going along with the whole notion of a cap philosophy when we should be howling with outrage and demanding that BT/NTL and the UK government give us a digital infrastructure that allows fast speeds and unlimited downloading of content of whatever form.

We are no longer watching the clock we are watching our router stats!!

I wonder what would happen if every customer maxed out every day and went way over their monthly caps, would ntl downgrade us all? I have the 10mb and find myself using it more and wanting to use it more! thats what its all about isnt it? I get loads more out of my 10mb than I did out of the 3mb... I am almost sure that what will happen is we will see extra charges coming in for every gig we go over the 75gb and I think this will become the norm for every UK isp out there... How sad! And we'll sit back and let it happen!

[Chrysalis]

Dodger lets hope it stays as a what if, because its obviously a case they are hoping the low usage customers are a high enough number to subisidise the heavier users to make it work.

I am holding of the 2meg since so far I have had no email or letter telling me its going to be unmetered and ideally I want some kind of hard evidence telling me just that.

[LenMackin]

wonder what would happen if every customer maxed out every day and went way over their monthly caps, would ntl downgrade us all? I have the 10mb and find myself using it more and wanting to use it more!

Well people probably won't max out every day. Family of four here and although usage is heavy we do turn the computers off. We also do other things as well. I think the majority of people get what they need and switch off. We always take this view in the UK that because of the minority the majority suffers. It's constantly a the 'end of known civilisation' everyone is going to max out their connections - NO! It's reminds me of the ballyhoo from the press about the change to licensing laws recently. I've been out late several times and haven't noticed anything different. End of the world as we know it? It really just never happens!

[ian@huth]

Originally Posted by LenMackin

You know we are all now talking about 'caps'. Once this was not an option, it was all about speed and the wonder of a permanent connection to the internet without the need to watch your phone bill. Slowly (at least in the UK) we are seeing the insidious rise of the 'cap'. Initial outrage of about 18 months ago has turned to .. "well maybe xxxgigs a month is ok/people who do xxxgig should be downgraded/I'll stay with a slow speed so i can download more" slowly we are going along with the whole notion of a cap philosophy when we should be howling with outrage and demanding that BT/NTL and the UK government give us a digital infrastructure that allows fast speeds and unlimited downloading of content of whatever form.

We are no longer watching the clock we are watching our router stats!!

I am sure that there are ISP's about who will give you what you want, fast speeds and unlimited downloading of content of whatever form. The only problem is that you probably wouldn't be able to afford the cost of being provided with such a service. You can't expect to buy a new Ferrari and pay the cost of a 20 year old Skoda with no MOT for it.

People have to stop comparing what is available in other parts of the World and what those services cost. You live in the UK and have to take what is being offered here and pay the cost involved. UK ISP's would have to spend billions to provide what you want, billions that they do not have and billions that most people are not prepared to pay their fair share of in higher subscription costs.

[rogerdraig]

Originally Posted by ian@huth

I am sure that there are ISP's about who will give you what you want, fast speeds and unlimited downloading of content of whatever form. The only problem is that you probably wouldn't be able to afford the cost of being provided with such a service. You can't expect to buy a new Ferrari and pay the cost of a 20 year old Skoda with no MOT for it.

People have to stop comparing what is available in other parts of the World and what those services cost. You live in the UK and have to take what is being offered here and pay the cost involved. UK ISP's would have to spend billions to provide what you want, billions that they do not have and billions that most people are not prepared to pay their fair share of in higher subscription costs.

sorry but no

we should expect the best we live in one of the richest counties in the world we should expect one of the best services

the problem isnt the cost its the fact that most companies here want to screw the maximum money for the least outlay and they mostly get away with it because the british are loath to complain

the evidence now shows that uncaped ( service are providable by ntl ) as we now have them

as to speed i was alway aware that it was an ( up to ) not a set speed and that i was contending with others conected to the service for my bandwidth

but what i and others want is a set fee no cut off ect