*All* ntl Cap Discussion (part 4)

[ian@huth]

Originally Posted by LenMackin

Family of 4, listen to internet radio, download softwre, music, video and other stuff, online gaming websites getting more bandwidth intensive. Watch HDTV trailors etc etc.... You will be amazed and it will only get worse as more content is pumped down the line at us. In 3 years 75 gig a week will be normal.

Yes, there are a lot of bandwidth eating applications about. But seriously do all four family members do all of these things non-stop for extensive periods every day? Whatever you download needs watching, listening to or playing at some time. Where does the time for doing these things come from out of what is left when you take away hours needed for work, school, housekeeping, shopping. watching TV and normal DVD's, listening to normal radio and CD's, etc?

[paul11974]

Originally Posted by LenMackin

Family of 4, listen to internet radio, download softwre, music, video and other stuff, online gaming websites getting more bandwidth intensive. Watch HDTV trailors etc etc.... You will be amazed and it will only get worse as more content is pumped down the line at us. In 3 years 75 gig a week will be normal.

yes very true my bigest ever monthly download was 22gb and that is just me online as the mrs dont use the pc that much or my son but i guess in a few years that will treble which will be nice with the no caps

[DaBuzz]

Originally Posted by Mal

That only works if they care about the cap

Well he said to them if he got another letter, he'd be angry. The woman on the phone told him not to worry as it won't happen again. I thought it was a bit odd personally tho. He's always been good at complaining.

[Chrysalis]

Originally Posted by Richy99

probably not enough users on the high speed adsl services for it to get saturated

capped or uncapped is not relevant as number of users is what causes it not whether they are capped, there is no difference to 100 capped 10meg users accessing the same point as 1000 1meg users it still has the same amount of traffic

There is no difference if (a) the capping is enforced and they spread out their downloading. (b) all the 1meg users rape their connection 24/7

What you just said is flawed in many ways eg. you can have a cap in place but if everyone uses their bandwidth at the same time you still need to provision capacity to handle the load, and of course if their is a higher burst speed then the provisioning needs to be at a higher level to handle it. Personally I find the saturated linx port issue not to be the blame of the leechers but rather then isp not upgrading to keep up with customer growth, if a isp has pipes that are filling up they have 3 options, they can either upgrade, implement limits on their users (caps) or just leave it. NTL have done a cross of caps and just leaving it since they are not really enforcing it properly and telewest have just left it. But fact is if you have a growing customer base you have to increase your capacity to go with it, blaming it solely on heavy users is an easy way out, and hoping the traffic flow will drop with a customer base thats growing is not going to happen.

[BBDL]

It looks like 1 and 2 meg is already unlimited.
Just got off the phone with sales, I asked about the unlimited and he said that it had already started.

[Gareth]

Bah, if you're capped and you feel it isn't high enough for you, just get a wireless NIC and find one of your neighbours who has an insecure wireless network setup, and then steal their bandwidth from them.





ps - that was a joke

[handyman]

Originally Posted by DaBuzz

Well he said to them if he got another letter, he'd be angry. The woman on the phone told him not to worry as it won't happen again. I thought it was a bit odd personally tho. He's always been good at complaining.

Customer service = paid flat rate
Sales = On commision
Retentions = On commision (sort of)

So ask youself which 2 departments are going to bending the rules to help you out? The ones that it benefits to do so of course.....

hm

[Horace]

Is 1mb/2mb truly unlimited and if so are they putting/allowing users back on those tiers who were put onto 512 unlimited as a punishment for going over the caps? If not then why not? If they really are serious about 1/2mb unlimited and have the capacity to support truly unlimited usage for those two tiers then surely there wouln't be a problem with moving those users back up and indeed gaining more revenue from 2mb. I have a feeling there will still be a get out clause in the T&C's that allows NTL to dump you if you use too much bandwidth. Sounds like they've dumped the majority of very heavy users on 512 or they've left and now can offer "unlimited" servers to the remaining people who don't use that much capacity anyway. Call me synical but that's the only explanation I can think of for such a radical turn-around.

Originally Posted by Gareth

Bah, if you're capped and you feel it isn't high enough for you, just get a wireless NIC and find one of your neighbours who has an insecure wireless network setup, and then steal their bandwidth from them.





ps - that was a joke

To be honest in my travels around the North West, You would be shocked at the amount of open wireless lans i found.

[th'engineer]

Originally Posted by Bill C

To be honest in my travels around the North West, You would be shocked at the amount of open wireless lans i found.

Good point Bill should there not be some easy info on this site to help people set up secure Lans.

Do we have any experts in the cable forum team that could help members to set it up properley

Lets be honest NTL are slow when it comes to this. All they are doing is what they should have done a long time ago. and they expect us to be greatfull!

Why bring out a 10MB connection when they don't have their exsisting products in line with current prices etc!

Sort out what you got already before spending more money and uping our bills to pay for it!

People who agree with NTL say ohhh but you have to pay £10.50 for the phone line. OK I can agree with that but lets be honest in todays day and age we want or need them anyway!

I for one want & need a phone line so I pay that regardless!

ADSL BB is only 16.99 a month for 2MB unlimited, And before you say fair use policy they do have one of these but it is not in any form of cap! see http://www.toucan.com/products/toucansurf/2meg-2gbc.asp

Even with the unlimited comming, and I think its a good start but £24.99 for a 2MB connection is a rip off regardless if it's unlimited.

[Ignition]

No obviously no cap there...

*We don't apply any formal limits to the amount of data you up/download with ToucanSurf broadband. However, we may restrict over-use by heavy users by, for example prioritising traffic from light users during peak periods. See our Fair Usage Policy for more details

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I'd check the quality of the services as well as the small print if I were you. Certainly 2Mbit unlimited can be offered at a sub-£20 / month price point, will it be any good? Well if it's supplied via BT Wholesale, either probably not or it'll come with traffic shaping.

Is it really that long ago that 2Mbit was a massive novelty that these days an unlimited version is a rip off at £25 / month? Guess so.

My sister has it and it's good, don't get me wrong she is not a heavy user and neither am I!

but that is a good price!

rather that than £25 for the same thing with ntl!

[etccarmageddon]

Originally Posted by Gareth

Bah, if you're capped and you feel it isn't high enough for you, just get a wireless NIC and find one of your neighbours who has an insecure wireless network setup, and then steal their bandwidth from them.

ps - that was a joke

not a good idea as you could end up with a criminal record.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4721723.stm

[lucadam]

just received email from ntl to inform me that as from january 1 and 2 meg is unlimited