smoking and the pub

[clarie]

Yes the government are just slowly climbing down the stairs into the shallow bit rather than dive bombing in at the deep end on this occasion.

[ian@huth]

It is going to be a couple of years before any ban on smoking in enclosed public spaces that serve food is implemented, if then. Would that time be too close to a general election for it to be on the agenda then? There can be many delaying tactics used to bring it even nearer to general election time and many amendments will probably be on the cards.

When, and if, it eventually gets on the statute books it will have one immediate effect. Many pubs which currently serve food will stop selling food. That will mean that the non-smoker will have even less choice of pubs than they now have if they wish to escape the smoke. They will also have less choice of places where they can eat.

The only sensible solution is to only ban smoking in parts of pubs where food is consumed and allow smoking areas to exist in other parts of the pub.

[clarie]

Originally Posted by ian@huth

When, and if, it eventually gets on the statute books it will have one immediate effect. Many pubs which currently serve food will stop selling food. That will mean that the non-smoker will have even less choice of pubs than they now have if they wish to escape the smoke.

No it won't. We will have more choice. There may be less places to eat yes. Some pubs may stop serving food, but many others won't.

Originally Posted by ian@huth

The only sensible solution is to only ban smoking in parts of pubs where food is consumed and allow smoking areas to exist in other parts of the pub.

I agree but the smoking areas will have to be sealed off otherwise they will not be effective.

The only sensible solution is a total ban in enclosed public spaces, otherwise a) you can't protect staff and b) people will try and dodge the legislation as many appear to be planning to do as a result of this fudge.

[clarie]

Originally Posted by andyl

The only sensible solution is a total ban in enclosed public spaces, otherwise a) you can't protect staff and b) people will try and dodge the legislation as many appear to be planning to do as a result of this fudge.

Hell I'll support that.

[ian@huth]

Originally Posted by clarie

No it won't. We will have more choice. There may be less places to eat yes. Some pubs may stop serving food, but many others won't.

Originally Posted by clarie

I agree but the smoking areas will have to be sealed off otherwise they will not be effective.

I thought that earlier in this thread you wanted a complete ban on smoking in all pubs whether they served food or not. You implied that even if there was only one pub that allowed smoking then it would restrict your choice. There are many pubs which serve food which have segregated areas for smokers and non-smokers. If some of these stop serving food then they may abandon the seperate areas, particularly if they find smoking areas are packed full and no smoking areas have few people in them. There is an abundance of pubs where there are segregated areas but with no physical division between them. In many of them there is no smell of smoke at all in the no smoking areas. In pubs where smoking is banned completely there is often a group of smokers who have nipped outside for a smoke. Outside means that they are just out of the door and you have to pass through the clouds of smoke to get inside. Also some of the smokers just have half of a cigarette, nip the glowing end off and return it to the packet for later. The smell that they bring back into the pub is usually much worse than the smell that would have been there if they had been smoking inside.

Originally Posted by clarie

Hell I'll support that.

Well I'm in absolutely no doubt it will happen.

[fireman328]

Originally Posted by andyl

Er, I'm a member of a private club as are many, and they don't by any stretch have to be like The Garrick. Indeed, I wish mine was as upmarket as the Wheeltappers & Shunters! It's a working mens club where people with kids are shunted into a side room which is by far the smokiest in the building. So it's not just club member MPs who will be able to circumvent the ban - which is why I would like it to be total. Donno why the Govt is vacillating as we all know a total ban will eventually be introduced (a point which also kinda makes this thread redundant )

Look here for a definition of a private members club, it is NOT a social club or a sports club or a British Legion, or a working mens club it is a private members club

www.eoc.org.uk/Default.aspx?page=15674&lang=en

Originally Posted by fireman328

Look here for a definition of a private members club, it is NOT a social club or a sports club or a British Legion, or a working mens club it is a private members club

www.eoc.org.uk/Default.aspx?page=15674&lang=en

The club I belong to is a private members club.

[fireman328]

Originally Posted by andyl

The club I belong to is a private members club.

Good, if a majority of your members vote against not having a smoking ban then you will be able to smoke.

[SlackDad]

And on and on it goes. This one refuses to lie down

If only, if only this much energy and enthusiasm could be seen in other areas then I'm sure the world would be a nicer place

[clarie]

Originally Posted by ian@huth

I thought that earlier in this thread you wanted a complete ban on smoking in all pubs whether they served food or not. You implied that even if there was only one pub that allowed smoking then it would restrict your choice.

Ideally I do want a total ban. But if smokers are insistent enough that this restricts their freedom, then I suggest a sealed smoking room.

There are many pubs which serve food which have segregated areas for smokers and non-smokers. If some of these stop serving food then they may abandon the seperate areas, particularly if they find smoking areas are packed full and no smoking areas have few people in them. There is an abundance of pubs where there are segregated areas but with no physical division between them. In many of them there is no smell of smoke at all in the no smoking areas.

Again, a non-smoking area is a pub is like a non-weeing area in a swimming pool.

Originally Posted by ian@huth

In pubs where smoking is banned completely there is often a group of smokers who have nipped outside for a smoke. Outside means that they are just out of the door and you have to pass through the clouds of smoke to get inside.

Well, rude people will be rude people. Besides I would rather spend 2 seconds walking through a cloud of smoke than 2 hours sitting in a smoky pub.

Originally Posted by ian@huth

Also some of the smokers just have half of a cigarette, nip the glowing end off and return it to the packet for later. The smell that they bring back into the pub is usually much worse than the smell that would have been there if they had been smoking inside.

That smell would be of minimal consequence to people sitting any distance at all away from the smoker. Plus the smell isn't the main problem.

[SlackDad]

Is this serious? http://tobacalert.com/

I've just got this image of non-smokers waving this around wherever they go

Take a look at the quick Guide. This shows some serious commitment http://tobacalert.com/quickguide.html

Originally Posted by fireman328

Good, if a majority of your members vote against not having a smoking ban then you will be able to smoke.

And the staff?

[SlackDad]

In the interests of balance I would just like to present some facts about tobacco and the ****s that run the tobcco industry. Happy reading.

**** and I smoke

http://www.newint.org/issue369/contents.htm

http://www.newint.org/issue369/facts.htm