Dutch to ban the wearing of the Burka?

Originally Posted by Russ D

No, I'm sure I understand just fine. However I'm kind of wondering why you seem to strongly stand by what you say when it's easily proven wrong by remembering that most if not all the national newspapers identified the appropriate London bombers as being British born Muslims.

Well if you'd read my previous post [EDIT: Post #62] correctly then you'd see that I did qualify it with by saying they would only refer where it was relevant to the crime committed. The point is quite simple - a burglar, say, will not be identified as a British born Muslim because it is of know relevance.. That being the case how can someone state most crime in the area is caused by British born Muslims on the basis of news reports? The answer is, if course, they can't.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by andyl

Well if you'd read my previous post [EDIT: Post #62] correctly then you'd see that I did qualify it with by saying they would only refer where it was relevant to the crime committed. The point is quite simple - a burglar, say, will not be identified as a British born Muslim because it is of know relevance.. That being the case how can someone state most crime in the area is caused by British born Muslims on the basis of news reports? The answer is, if course, they can't.

Except when they report on a census - I know for a fact that the Western Mail produced a report about 2 years ago which showed how much crime was commited/reported in the South Wales area when the purportator was British born along with their ethnic 'status' whether Muslim, white European etc.

It's quite maddening that I can't find the link but I'll keep looking.

Originally Posted by Russ D

Except when they report on a census - I know for a fact that the Western Mail produced a report about 2 years ago which showed how much crime was commited/reported in the South Wales area when the purportator was British born along with their ethnic 'status' whether Muslim, white European etc.

It's quite maddening that I can't find the link but I'll keep looking.

Well apparently we can't use Census evidence in this debate

That would be the one time you might see such reporting, I'll happily concede. Well not too happily you understand. But if the Nelson Leader has done such a thing - or indeed the vast majority of local newspapers - I will eat my hoodie!

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by Russ D

Except when they report on a census - I know for a fact that the Western Mail produced a report about 2 years ago which showed how much crime was commited/reported in the South Wales area when the purportator was British born along with their ethnic 'status' whether Muslim, white European etc.

It's quite maddening that I can't find the link but I'll keep looking.

I seem to remember reading something similar a few years ago, I thought it was the South Wales Argus though. I have a feeling there was a lot of fuss from some readers in letters the following weeks accusing the newspaper of being racist because they had reported facts.

PS: I'm sure that was just over 3 years ago when I was at ntl.

I did dig around a while ago, my contact in a barristers chamber in Swansea seemed to think the details of ethnic origin was not a statistic available outside the courts these days.

And victims of crime? Any concern that ethnic minority groups are more likley to be victims?

"In 2002/03, adults from a Mixed race or Asian background were more likely than those from other ethnic groups to be victims of crime in England and Wales. Almost half (46 per cent) of adults of Mixed race had been the victim of a crime in the previous 12 months. This compared with 30 per cent of Asians. Black adults and those from the †˜Chinese or otherââ‚ƚ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢ group experienced similar levels of crime to White people." For example
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=467

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Originally Posted by andyl

And victims of crime? Any concern that ethnic minority groups are more likley to be victims?

"In 2002/03, adults from a Mixed race or Asian background were more likely than those from other ethnic groups to be victims of crime in England and Wales. Almost half (46 per cent) of adults of Mixed race had been the victim of a crime in the previous 12 months. This compared with 30 per cent of Asians. Black adults and those from the †˜Chinese or otherââ‚ƚ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢ group experienced similar levels of crime to White people." For example
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=467

Are we trying to detract from the point about the perpetrators of crime? Perhaps the crimes against minorities were committed by minorities? Does that make them more or less acceptable?

[basa]

Originally Posted by andyl

Where does that figure come from?

Latest figs here. A quite worrying article.

The most worrying stat is this:

Of the 582,000 who arrived, about 494,000 were not British citizens - a record number.

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Originally Posted by basa

Latest figs here. A quite worrying article.

The most worrying stat is this:

Very interesting Basa. Good post.