Dutch to ban the wearing of the Burka?

me283 · 13-10-2005, 11:10

It would appear that the Dutch are no longer the laid back bunch that they have long been perceived to be.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...823334,00.html

I am wondering whether they are being too intolerant, or maybe they are looking at how tolerent other countries (eg UK) have been, and feel that they don't ike the end result. Or maybe there is another reason behind it.

Anyone have any thoughts?

basa · 13-10-2005, 11:15

NOOOOOooooooo !!

13-10-2005, 11:17

Could I just say how surprised I am that this thread was started by you

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NOOOOOooooooo !!

I'll agreee with you on this one!

13-10-2005, 11:20

You could argue that if Muslim countries are making dutch people cover up then the dutch country can fairly make muslim people uncover.

Theres many reasons this may have happened, it may also discourage muslims that are not willing to integrate into the dutch way of life from bothering to immigrate there.

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I have often felt that the purpose of a school uniform is to allow the children from all walks of life to looks the same and not be singled out for looking different, I fail to see why schools should allow people to wear national dress. Would I be allowed to send my children to school dressed as Morris dancers? No and thats damn right anyway so why is it different for people form other cultures?

me283 · 13-10-2005, 11:30

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Could I just say how surprised I am that this thread was started by you

You can say what you like. Anyone is free to say what they think, (except, it would appear, when they disagree with you).

Why so surprised? Because I read the Sun and it appeared in the Times? Which presumably means I am capable of free thought...

Or surprised because it has something to do with Islam?

Pray tell me, why are you so surprised? I am surprised nobody else has started it.
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I'll agreee with you on this one!

Nice to see you back up your post with good logic as usual.

13-10-2005, 11:37

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Originally Posted by me283

You can say what you like. Anyone is free to say what they think, (except, it would appear, when they disagree with you).

Why so surprised? Because I read the Sun and it appeared in the Times? Which presumably means I am capable of free thought...

Or surprised because it has something to do with Islam?

Pray tell me, why are you so surprised? I am surprised nobody else has started it.

I'm not surprised because it's a tedious obsession of yours. And you're very chippy about your Sun reading habits today aren't you? I've explained my opinion re Sun readers elsewhere.
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Nice to see you back up your post with good logic as usual.

I think that post is pretty self explanatory. I think Basa sounds as equally tired with this topic.

Ramrod · 13-10-2005, 11:39

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Good for her!

The Dutch have been having a lot of problems with muslims in the Netherlands and they are fed up with the situation. They have realised that their tolerant, open ways have been exploited and are actually sneered at by many muslims there. I'm not sure if the ban is a productive way to start to reform things though.

me283 · 13-10-2005, 11:41

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Originally Posted by andyl

I'm not surprised because it's a tedious obsession of yours. And you're very chippy about your Sun reading habits today aren't you? I've explained my opinion re Sun readers elsewhere.
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I think that post is pretty self explanatory. I think Basa sounds as equally tired with this topic.

If you're tired with the topic, walk away from it.

But what is this "tedious obsession"? I think the OP was extremely inoffensive, and didn't actually state my own feelings on the subject. I am merely asking for the opinions of others.

Anyone woud think you consider me to be somewhat discriminatory!

marky · 13-10-2005, 11:41

Good old google ads

TheBlueRaja · 13-10-2005, 11:43

LOL @ marky

They'll be persecuting folk who wear hoodies next....

basa · 13-10-2005, 11:45

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Originally Posted by andyl

I think Basa sounds as equally tired with this topic.

Too right ... maybe !

I might just chip in the odd biggoted, racist remark where I feel appropriate

me283 · 13-10-2005, 11:48

The thing that surprised me the ost about this article was how many other countries have similar bans, albeit local bans and not national ones.

13-10-2005, 11:51

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Originally Posted by me283

The thing that surprised me the ost about this article was how many other countries have similar bans, albeit local bans and not national ones.

I guess there would also be an element of secutiry here too. I mean how do you identify someone wearing a b..bur....a one of them things?

Anyway, what would happen if a female from the west went to a muslim country and didnt cover up, she would be jailed or deported. Why should we behave differently towards them, especially as it appears they are taking the wee wee outa the dutch gov?

me283 · 13-10-2005, 11:57

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Originally Posted by timewarrior2001

I guess there would also be an element of secutiry here too. I mean how do you identify someone wearing a b..bur....a one of them things?

Anyway, what would happen if a female from the west went to a muslim country and didnt cover up, she would be jailed or deported. Why should we behave differently towards them, especially as it appears they are taking the wee wee outa the dutch gov?

There was a comparison in the Times' article with a law that stopped football hooligans from covering their faces with scarves to hide their identity. I recall them doing this with their scarves some years back, and have to say that the effect was actually quite menacing, but it's hard to explain why. In colder climes however I have covered my face with a scarf as well, and it's an interesting comparison.

basa · 13-10-2005, 12:03

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Originally Posted by me283

There was a comparison in the Times' article with a law that stopped football hooligans from covering their faces with scarves to hide their identity. I recall them doing this with their scarves some years back, and have to say that the effect was actually quite menacing, but it's hard to explain why. In colder climes however I have covered my face with a scarf as well, and it's an interesting comparison.

Shhhh ... don't mention 'hoodies' !