Virgin conception' first for UK

[orangebird]

Originally Posted by Russ D

I was waiting for someone to say that!

This is humans tampering with a power we don't yet fully understand, however this is easily forgotten (if it's even realised) in today's "I want so I'll have" culture.

It's not a want Russ, it's a need, an overwhelming urge. I appreciate you (as a man) will not understand that. You were priviledged enough to become a father when you hadn't even wanted or planned it. There are people that are depserate for children who have no option but to rely on science rather than nature. Spare a thought for those for a minute.

[Graham]

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

Oh come on m8 thats a bit thin,procreation has been done like this for millions of years,

And for "millions of years" humans were living in caves and eating raw meat and not using computers and... it's not a valid argument against this.

Man just likes to think he is God some men more than others

Please, don't drag religion into this.

surely you cant contest that man is making a serious mess of things with its interference with nature?

I'm not contesting any such thing.

And bringing in other examples of "man making a serious mess of things..." is also not an argument against this.

yes it is

[Graham]

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

yes it is

It's a bit early for Panto Season. How about some reasonable discussion instead?

Im sorry Graham but I do not accept your dismissal of what ive said

[Graham]

Oh well, so much for that...

[downquark1]

Mother nature will win out in the end,us humans think we are so important but we are nothing just well trained monkeys who think we know it all

And this should prevent us from researching.... why?

Mistakes are made and are learnt from, this is the nature of research.

The world is over populated but that will not change with this research or any other. It's the human instinct to reproduce. That's an arguement for morality and politics.

It would be nice if this thread could proceed in a gentlemanly manner gents!

Speaking as the OP that is...

[downquark1]

Originally Posted by Incognitas

It would be nice if this thread could proceed in a gentlemanly manner gents!

It is I suggest you look at some other forums.

Originally Posted by downquark1

And this should prevent us from researching.... why?

Mistakes are made and are learnt from, this is the nature of research.

The world is over populated but that will not change with this research or any other. It's the human instinct to reproduce. That's an arguement for morality and politics.

You said it all there human instinct,Instincts are animal ,surely then as a race that puts itself above animals we cant use animal instincts as a reason to mess with nature, this is a contradiction in itself

Originally Posted by downquark1

It is I suggest you look at some other forums.

I wasn't actually speaking to you my friend. You are always a gent...

[downquark1]

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

You said it all there human instinct,Instincts are animal ,surely then as a race that puts itself above animals we cant use animal instincts as a reason to mess with nature, this is a contradiction in itself

Animal instincts are reason for USING technology to advance aspects of human life.

This is research, as in finding out things, it would be human instinct use the technology for something, say reproduction (which in this case it will not).

A mother who cannot have a child wants a child (an instinct) therefore goes for IVF treatment (a technology constructed through research) and boom you have a baby concieved by means not availiable to primitive humans.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Graham

You're right, I *do* find that hard to understand.

How exactly is having babies *not* a right?

I've not heard of any cases of someone being *denied* the right to have babies, not even people who have eg congenital diseases, except in certain totalitarian regimes.

No, most governments will *not* deny people the "right" to have a baby. Maybe Right was the wrong word, as it implies a legal right, which is something I did not mean to imply.


However, people do seem to assume that because they want a baby, they should have one.

The present evolution is sort of making the saying 'A child is a gift not a right' something of a hollow premise.What with surrogacy,test tube babies,IVF and the lengths and distances(never mind the financial implications) that some men and women are prepared to go through it is sometimes forgotten that children have rights too.

Mainly the right to be born for their own sakes and not to satisfy someone's selfish wants and desires.

I think too often the question that gets forgotten is 'Why do you want a child?'

Frankly the answer has got to be more than because I physically can't have one.After all there are far too many orphaned children already in this world,some of whom are damaged physically and mentally who never get a chance of a loving family because they are too old,too damaged and not of the same flesh.

If you truly want to care for someone why do they have to be of your DNA?Why not just love a child because they need love,not because they have your eyes?

[Graham]

Originally Posted by Stuart C

Maybe Right was the wrong word, as it implies a legal right, which is something I did not mean to imply.

I think so, but thanks for explaining.

However, people do seem to assume that because they want a baby, they should have one.

Well, yes, that I can agree with. As I may have (facetiously) mentioned before, there should be a proper examination for people who want to be parents, and *not* just the "practical"!