China- Propoganda, Censorship and the "Thought Police"

[makikomi]

You must remove your imperialistic postings from this forum as you descrate the memory of our beloved leader and the bountiful society that we live in.

Your capitalistic rantings shall pass like breezes in the night, and one day, when the Dragon awakes you will regret your impudence sorely.



In all seriousness, you can understand that they don't want their people to create dissent and see things as the western nations do, but they have swung to an extreme.

[Graham]

Originally Posted by makikomi

You must remove your imperialistic postings from this forum [...]

Err, makikomi, this is China we're talking about, not North Korea...!

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by BBKing

A communist party that is liked by capitalists and disliked by communists is an odd beast, don't you think?

But they are still a communist party....they are just allowing capitaism to exist in their country....and that will destroy them from within ....anyway, you were cherry picking that link a bit m8.....here is some more from it:

the party's highest body is the National Congress of the Communist Party of China, which meets at least once every 5 years. The primary organs of power in the Communist Party which are listed in the party constitution include:

* The Politburo Standing Committee, which currently consists of nine members;
* The Politburo, consisting of 22 full members (including the members of the Politburo Standing Committee);
* The Secretariat, the principal administrative mechanism of the CPC, headed by the General Secretary of the Communist Party of China;
* The Central Military Commission (a parallel organization of the government institution of the same name);
* The Discipline Inspection Commission, which is charged with rooting out corruption and malfeasance among party cadres.

Other central organizations include

* The International Liaison Department
* The United Front Work Department
* The Organization Department
* The Propaganda Department

Looks slightly communist to me.

I prefer to judge people by their actions rather than their purported ideology.

I prefer to call a spade a spade


Seen the flag?..........

[makikomi]

Originally Posted by Graham

Err, makikomi, this is China we're talking about, not North Korea...!

You try to confuse the Dragon with the ramblings of a madman! But your decadent ways shall not sway our commitment to the cause!!!!!!!



I think I'll have a lie down now.

[Raistlin]

Originally Posted by makikomi

I think I'll have a lie down now.

Remember Grasshopper: -

"Man who goes to bed with itchy bum, wakes up with smelly finger."

[Graham]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

But they are still a communist party....

And Labour are a Socialist Party.

Next...?!

[Raistlin]

Originally Posted by Graham

And Labour are a Socialist Party.

Next...?!

Ummm.....

Noeal Edmunds had a programme called "House Party".....

<Raistlin>Get your coat, I'll start the car</Raistlin>

[punky]

Originally Posted by andyl

Wonder if he can access that seditious site, guardian.co.uk though

In all seriousness, given the Guardian's ideologies and stances on issues, I would be suprised if The Guardian wasn't in charge of the propaganda department. That paper does my head in at the best of times for its Riefenstahl-like reporting feeding the far left. I really try and avoid all papers for news, but reading the Guardian (which I do from time to time, if I can avoid paying for it), makes me feel like I am in a far left indoctrination class.

If the Guardian ever did criticise a communist country, like China, then not only would it alienate a good chunk of its readers but it would just be empty whinging. They'd never make any overtures at trying to solve the problem, merely just complain about it. Kinda like Shami Chakraparti's stance on some of the most terrible countries in the world. "You can't deport people there, they will get tortured. No, no let's not do anything about them or to try and stop it, lets just sit by and watch them do it."

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Graham

And Labour are a Socialist Party.

Next...?!

Well they have enough socialists lutking in the wings.........Next you'll be telling me that Stalin, Lenin et al weren't actually communists either (I can see it now.....'true communism hasen't been implemented anywhere' etc etc.....)
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CIA factbook:

Country name:
conventional long form: People's Republic of China
conventional short form: China
local long form: Zhonghua Renmin Gongheguo
local short form: Zhong Guo
abbreviation: PRC
Government type:
Communist state

Originally Posted by punky

In all seriousness, given the Guardian's ideologies and stances on issues, I would be suprised if The Guardian wasn't in charge of the propaganda department. That paper does my head in at the best of times for its Riefenstahl-like reporting feeding the far left. I really try and avoid all papers for news, but reading the Guardian (which I do from time to time, if I can avoid paying for it), makes me feel like I am in a far left indoctrination class.

If the Guardian ever did criticise a communist country, like China, then not only would it alienate a good chunk of its readers but it would just be empty whinging. They'd never make any overtures at trying to solve the problem, merely just complain about it. Kinda like Shami Chakraparti's stance on some of the most terrible countries in the world. "You can't deport people there, they will get tortured. No, no let's not do anything about them or to try and stop it, lets just sit by and watch them do it."

Flippin' eck (Tucker). Gratuitous reference to Grange Hill's golden age for those old enough to remember.

Actually The Guardian is critical of China and has, for example, been active in supporting the Burmese campaign.As for allegations of just whinging, I love that! Of course the Mail is the whingiest paper on the planet, with a vicious agenda. At least The Guardian is, currently at least, big enough to fill a litter tray! And whilst it's left leaning, it's no Communist supporting rag by any means.

And you leave my Shami alone. She's a top gal. Of course Liberty is concerned with UK civil liberties but I bet you a pound to a penny she supports Amnesty who..... (I am, of course, suspecting that you're no fan of Amnesty either mind!)

[MovedGoalPosts]

Lets get back to the topic please. A couple of OT posts which pushed the boundaries of politeness have been removed

[BBKing]

If the Guardian ever did criticise a communist country, like China, then not only would it alienate a good chunk of its readers

[mod edit Rob C: personal comment removed] it must be a different Guardian that has criticised the Chinese government on Tibet, amongst others and published articles by the notorious comrades Michael Howard and David Aaronovich. It's quite possible for me to read the Grauniad one day and disagree with about half the articles in it. Anyway, it's often stuffed full of Blairites, and you can't call them left wing unless you're standing on the far right. Oh hang on...

Today's headlines with leftie commentary:
Met in trouble over shooting someone dead and then putting out misleading information - cast iron leftie material, except that the same story is plastered all over almost every paper, including yesterday's Mail.
Israel pulls settlers out of Gaza - there isn't a left-wing position here - you can't support the settlers (Zionist fanatics) or Sharon (right-wing warmonger) so the best you can do is report the facts. There's no mention of Palestinian reaction at all.
A-level passes up - points out that there's a problem because people are taking subjects they want to (like RE) rather than what industry would find useful (like science or languages). Siding with the capitalist boss man here?

I have a suspicion that the Guardian would alienate a lot of readers (or provoke stiff letters from retired vicars) if it produced a fawning article about the Chinese leadership. Now, the Times on the other hand...*

I prefer to call a spade a spade

I prefer to open my eyes and watch what's really going on, rather than worry about the minutiae of how the PRC organises its government (which, however you dress it up, is an authoritarian dictatorship - the rest is window dressing). It's how it organises its economy that interests me, as it's likely to affect the vast majority of the Earth's population.

they are just allowing capitaism to exist in their country.

Capitalism isn't just existing in their country - it's transforming it. It's a 180 degree about turn from the past, which is why I still contend that China is not a country run on communist lines. You surely don't deny that China is growing explosively at the moment, and I don't think you believe that communist society is the ideal economic base from which to grow so fast, but that's essentially what you're arguing if you maintain that China is a communist country.

*Rupert Murdoch once pulled BBC channels from his Asian satellite channels to appease the censors in Beijing. Is he a communist?

[MovedGoalPosts]

Please do try to be civil when posting. Agree or disagree constructively with the points being made, but please avoid snide comments and digs on each other's posting styles or opinions.

Thread reopened after another cleanup.

[Graham]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Next you'll be telling me that Stalin, Lenin et al weren't actually communists either

Lenin maybe, but Stalin...? Unless you mean the communist equality of his purges?!

CIA factbook

I sense a slight oxymoron there...!!!

[punky]

Originally Posted by Graham

Lenin maybe, but Stalin...? Unless you mean the communist equality of his purges?!

Ahh, you mean that other Stalin then. Who wasn't general secretary & then leader of the Soviet Communist Party, who didn't have Marxist-Lenist theories, didn't defeat Trotsky to become leader, and came up with the idea of collective farming.

And the Purge you say? Authoritarian/totalitarian political opression and state abuse from a communist party? Never!

I sense a slight oxymoron there...!!!

You must be the greenest person I know mate If you recycle your goods anywhere near as half as much as your jokes, you're doing the planet a great service.