[Merged] All 24Mb DSL Discussions.

[Ignition]

Originally Posted by SMHarman

Indeed NTL can offer 3Mb to any home on net.

People in bits of London and Southampton amongst others may take exception to that.

You're aware that LLU operators can do something called sub-loop unbundling, placing their own equipment inside / near BT street cabinets to reduce the length of the copper loop to premises?

Fair play to this company for appearing to want to take the same approach that BoStream did in Sweden, hope it works for them and results in faster, better services for all.

[SMHarman]

Fair points, any company has to start somewhere, I hope they are sufficiently capitalised to aggressivly roll out.
I was not aware of the sub loop unbundling, but then again my ADSL line is in line of sight to the exchange and not yet upgraded to 2Mb i would complain more about ADSL speed and service than NTL (though that is still 750k in my area also).

[Stuart]

I'll reserve judgement until I have more details (particularly *what* exchanges they are planning to unbundle, and what the prices will be), but the team behind it are made up of members of the team behind BoStream, so they have a proven track record..

Whatever, it will shake up the market, and that is nearly always a good thing..

[Halcyon]

24mb !!! I'l believe it when I see it.
Its good that people are finally standing out from the 1mb or 2mb speeds occupying the market at them moment and trying something different. Not too sure I want to know how much that will cost !
So will this mean that ADSL is going to be taking over cable for speed in the future ?

[Neil]

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

Easynet plans ADSL2+ services 12:10PM
Easynet plans to introduce ADSL2+ services up to 24Mbps later this year, following the completion of imminent trials.

The local loop unbundler currently offers up to 8Mbps lines to ISPs - notably UK Online which has an 8Mbps residential broadband product - pushing ADSL technology to its limits. However the LLU kit that has installed at BT exchanges is also equipped with ADSL2+, smoothing any upgrade path.

Easynet has kit in 240 exchanges serving around 4.4 million homes and 700,000 businesses. Its ADSL2+ trials will run concurrent with BT's; some BT employees are currently testing lines running up to 18Mbps, although there is no news yet of a public trial.

Consequently there is now the genuine possibility of DSL services above and beyond 10Mbps being widely available before the end of 2005 and of the UK setting the broadband pace in Europe.


Source

Originally Posted by El Reg

Easynet is upping its investment in local loop unbundling (LLU) following BT's recent announcement that it intends to give wholesale broadband competition a chance to thrive.

Easynet plans to unbundle a further 100 exchanges taking the total number of LLU sites to 350 - capable of hooking up 5.8m homes and 850,000 businesses in the UK.

And Easynet has also revealed that its ISP UK Online - which up until now has been shy about revealing customer numbers - has also signed up 10,000 punters to its LLU service.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/07/01/easynet_llu/

[ian@huth]

Originally Posted by Halcyon

24mb !!! I'l believe it when I see it.
Its good that people are finally standing out from the 1mb or 2mb speeds occupying the market at them moment and trying something different. Not too sure I want to know how much that will cost !
So will this mean that ADSL is going to be taking over cable for speed in the future ?

There are two main factors which affect the speed that an ISP offers. Those are the capability of the infrastructure and the need to compete. An ISP may have the capability to provide speeds such as 24 Mb and above but there is little point in offering it until competitive pressure forces them to do so. There is a lot to be said for hanging back and waiting for technology to improve and be cheaper instead of rushing to be first with higher speeds. The questions really are what speed do the majority of customers need at this moment in time and what applications need the faster speeds. You don't spend millions just to satisfy a few need for speed customers.

[Chrysalis]

Also parts of Leics that are on net cannot get broadband.

Here is my question tho, if easynet and other llu providers rollout adsl2 will it rollout across all their exchanges at the same time?

Likewise how will NTL rollout, looking at their past history they tend to upgrade one area at a time and their can be many years between the first area and the last area been upgraded. Will we see NTL HDTV going along 24mbit lines before Southampton, Leics etc. see digital rollout and 100% broadband coverage on net.

[jtribe]

Also parts of Leics that are on net cannot get broadband.
Well they may soon

A new range of communications platforms that allow broadband fibre performance to be obtained from conventional copper cabling is now available in the UK from Microtel.

The new Multi-Pair family of products, which offer a scalable family of standards compliant and affordable solutions, are based on a technology known as MetaLoop, developed by Actelis Networks of Fremont, California.


http://www.electronicstalk.com/news/mie/mie110.html


Hopefully when it arrives it will push prices down for everyone and Ntl will have to up the speeds to compete and stay in line with the market

[Chrysalis]

Well I have heard from a few on this forum and one person at NTL customer services that Leics is going through upgrades and it is expected digital tv will be rolled out along with broadband over the whole area, the problem is noone has any idea when.

[punky]

Not sure if it has been mentioned in here yet, but I have just seen this:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/07/21/be_broadband/

Be Broadband 24meg for 25-30 quid a month. To good to be true maybe?

[Ignition]

Originally Posted by jtribe

Also parts of Leics that are on net cannot get broadband.
Well they may soon

A new range of communications platforms that allow broadband fibre performance to be obtained from conventional copper cabling is now available in the UK from Microtel.

The new Multi-Pair family of products, which offer a scalable family of standards compliant and affordable solutions, are based on a technology known as MetaLoop, developed by Actelis Networks of Fremont, California.


http://www.electronicstalk.com/news/mie/mie110.html


Hopefully when it arrives it will push prices down for everyone and Ntl will have to up the speeds to compete and stay in line with the market

Requires multiple copper pairs to be bonded, unlikely to be a big residential seller as not many of us can afford several sets of line rental.

Isn't really great shakes either, the ADSL2+ standard (which 24Mbit services are based on) allows multiple pair bonding as standard.

[Gareth]

Anyone in the know got any update on when we can expect to see ADSL2+ being rolled out? Last I heard was 'late 05/early 06', but was wondering whether there's been any updates on that.

I've been speaking to my French brother-in-law about ADSL2+ and how quickly it has been adopted in France. Looking into French ISPs, I was pretty miffed to see the vast majority of them offering up to 20 meg for only â‚ ¬15 (£10) p/month... and their incentives to potential customers make it only £6 for the first 3 months

[Hans Gruber]

Well it seems it's here...

https://www.bethere.co.uk/beonline/homePilotTerms.do

24mbit down/ 1mbit up, no caps, £20 a month. Bloody Londoners

[ian@huth]

Originally Posted by Hans Gruber

Well it seems it's here...

https://www.bethere.co.uk/beonline/homePilotTerms.do

24mbit down/ 1mbit up, no caps, £20 a month. Bloody Londoners

The usage policy and T&C links don't appear to link to anything on their servers.

[punky]

Originally Posted by Hans Gruber

Well it seems it's here...

https://www.bethere.co.uk/beonline/homePilotTerms.do

24mbit down/ 1mbit up, no caps, £20 a month. Bloody Londoners

Sounds a bit too good to be true TBH. And the fair use policy isn't online yet...

Doesn't mention about wether there is a contract period or not? Don't really need all the router stuff.