Telewest announce 10Mb broadband speed - Page 3

Dave Stones · 11-08-2005, 15:21

i'll make sure i let you know when i am rolled up to 4mbit

Gareth · 11-08-2005, 15:42

I don't see anyone 'whinging' about NTL being crap and TW being great, but you have to admit that the TW press release does have far more information, including specific pricing information, upload speeds and details about capping.

Even the timescale, although it is vague, is of more interest than the timescale NTL announced. NTL's was "sometime before the end of this year for 3 mb users, and sometime before the end of 2006 for everyone else", which gives anywhere from a 4 month to a 16 month period. The Telewest timeframe is somewhere within the next 6 weeks - period.

This, to me, covers all the points that everybody had raised in the NTL 10mb thread. Imagine if NTL had been able to give this level of detail when they made their announcement. We wouldn't have had anything to talk about, except how good it should be when it arrives.

I understand that, logistically, it is easier for TW to roll out this upgrade, due to its smaller network/user base, etc... I presume that this difference of scale is also behind the lack of information given by NTL. Even I (and I'm far from a fan of NTL after all the hassle I had) am aware that if NTL had this information to hand, they would have announced it. In my opinion (and it is just an opinion), NTL were aware of Telewest making their announcement today, and had their hand forced. They had to make some form of announcement, even though they didn't at that time have all the details that people would invariably be asking about.

One question that I have, however, is why there is such a large difference in the lead times between Telewest being able to roll this out fully, and NTL doing the same thing. I don't know the size/complexity of their respective networks (hence my question), but is NTL's infrastructure really that much bigger than TW's that it's going to take them potentially >12 months to catch up? Maybe someone with an understanding of both networks can answer that for me.

danielf · 11-08-2005, 15:51

I would imagine a lot of work has been going on behind the scenes at Telewest. Perhaps NTL are not slower at rolling it out, but just earlier with their press release (which would explain the relative lack of info as well).

nn012 · 11-08-2005, 16:06

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Originally Posted by orangebird

Well in the case of the 10meg speed, ntl did it first, and you're still slagging them.

But that's not the discussion happening now. ntl annouce 10meg first and they're still in the wrong for some unknown reason.... give a dog a bad name eh? ....

Sorry to burst your bubble, Telewest announced a 10Meg trial back in March http://media.corporate-ir.net/media_...esentation.pdf (Page 28)

ian@huth · 11-08-2005, 16:16

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Originally Posted by nn012

Sorry to burst your bubble, Telewest announced a 10Meg trial back in March http://media.corporate-ir.net/media_...esentation.pdf (Page 28)

Think about when NTL first announced trials of 10Mb and above. If you look at the recent NTL statement they announced 20Mb trials, where is TW's 20Mb announcement?

nn012 · 11-08-2005, 16:26

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Think about when NTL first announced trials of 10Mb and above.

When?

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Originally Posted by ian@huth

If you look at the recent NTL statement they announced 20Mb trials, where is TW's 20Mb announcement?

If Telewest still exists as a seperate company when ntl rollout 20Meg, im sure they'll even have a better offer then as has been the case in the previous upgrades.

PS. This isnt about an ntl vs. Telewest thing, i just hope Telewest's management take control of the internet section at the merged company.

ian@huth · 11-08-2005, 16:47

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Originally Posted by ian@huth

Think about when NTL first announced trials of 10Mb and above.

When?

Can't remember the date and can't be bothered to look as this is a thread about TW announcements, not NTL. I am pretty sure that it was after NTL had already installed 100Mb connections in private properties though if that's any help.

eshaq786 · 11-08-2005, 22:54

Wow. Hats off to telewest once again (getting tired of taking my hat off all the time to telewest lol). And uncapped too! All you telewest haters can eat my 10mb dust....when it arrives!

kronas · 11-08-2005, 23:20

there is nothing better than broadband britain finally coming to some sort of fruition, and telewest seem to be showing that unlimited can be something that is implimented, well done to telewest for being quicker off the mark.

None^ · 12-08-2005, 02:33

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Originally Posted by Neil

I'm not 'slagging' them, I was merely comparing the two announcments (of which Telewests is superior)

ntl only have themselves to blame for the poor reputation they have just about everywhere.

Having been a forum reader (and non poster) for a long time now (both on old and new sites), Neil - For an admin you are so biased against NTL it's unreal.

It's a forum - yes. I thought admins were supposed to carry an unbiased view... your views, to me are biased.

I applaude both NTL and Telewest for what they are doing, whether merged or not. Who "got the info out first" or "who got it out better", isn't the subject here....
The fact that both companies are pushing the limits on broadband overwhelmingly (whatever their governing on limits in terms of caps or not), is nice to see don't you agree?

Neil · 12-08-2005, 05:52

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Originally Posted by None^

Having been a forum reader (and non poster) for a long time now (both on old and new sites), Neil - For an admin you are so biased against NTL it's unreal.

It's a forum - yes. I thought admins were supposed to carry an unbiased view... your views, to me are biased.

I applaude both NTL and Telewest for what they are doing, whether merged or not. Who "got the info out first" or "who got it out better", isn't the subject here....
The fact that both companies are pushing the limits on broadband overwhelmingly (whatever their governing on limits in terms of caps or not), is nice to see don't you agree?

Bias has nothing to do with it-Telewest's press release is superior to ntl's-fact. It is simply more informative, & more professional looking.

Here's a few 'facts' for you....

TW's press release is far more informative than ntls.

ntl has somewhere in the region of 1,500,000 BB customers, & says it will complete the upgrade 'by the end of 2006'.

Telewest has approximately 1,000,000 BB customers, yet says it will complete the upgrades 'early next year'.

With the recent 3 meg upgrade (4 meg in Telewests case), ntl took far longer than Telewest to get this done. Despite ntl saying that it was their idea & that TW copied them, customers were kept waiting for an indefinate period of time. if it was ntl's idea 1st, what took them so long?

Telewest on the other hand finished their upgrades to 4 Mb ahead of schedule.

There's no bias there as those are not opinions I've given you, they're facts.

It simply can;t be solely because ntl have more customers than TW that it will take so much longer-they were only a couple of months behind TW in finishing the 3 Mb upgrades, yet for this round of upgrades it appears there will be a much larger gap when the amount of customers that need upgrading is pretty much what it was last time round for both companies.

Ignition · 12-08-2005, 08:33

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ntl has somewhere in the region of 1,500,000 BB customers, & says it will complete the upgrade 'by the end of 2006'.

Telewest has approximately 1,000,000 BB customers, yet says it will complete the upgrades 'early next year'.

Fascinating fact: ntl have over twice as many deployed uBRs as Telewest, this is for 50% more customers..

So you guys still reckon that Telewest will be ok handling 10Mbit uncapped?
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Originally Posted by eshaq786

Wow. Hats off to telewest once again (getting tired of taking my hat off all the time to telewest lol). And uncapped too! All you telewest haters can eat my 10mb dust....when it arrives!

Thought you were with Bulldog now?

ian@huth · 12-08-2005, 10:03

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Originally Posted by eshaq786

Wow. Hats off to telewest once again (getting tired of taking my hat off all the time to telewest lol). And uncapped too! All you telewest haters can eat my 10mb dust....when it arrives!

Thought you were with Bulldog now?

Ah, Bulldog! Isn't that the outfit that many were crowing about on here some time back saying that they were leaving the cablecos way behind? I wonder what their massive 65,000 user customer base and 20,000 potential customers waiting for service thinks of them now? What a company offers means nothing in itself. It's what a company delivers and can sustain that matters.

eshaq786 · 12-08-2005, 12:45

I am with Bulldog but I still have my Telewest service. Its just that i dont use the telewest one as my main connection. Have to say though telewest is much more reliable than bulldog. Anyway cant wait till 10mb comes out. Wonder if bulldog might launch adsl2+ by then though.

Amtiskaw · 12-08-2005, 12:51

Funny, if Telewest are so great at upgrading and rolling out new services, why the hell is my street still on analog cable? We can't get cable broadband at all, or any digital channels through cable tv, and the area isn't scheduled to be upgraded until November! And this isn't out in the sticks somewhere, it's a major suburb of Liverpool.