6mb Blueyonder Rumour

[Ignition]

Originally Posted by webvictim

In my view, if they say "this is the price for this level of service" then they should honour that. They know how much bandwidth they need for the area from the amount of money they make off subscriptions, so they should install enough capacity to make sure that everyone can get the bandwidth they pay for.

I might as well just downgrade to 2mbit, save myself £20/month and actually get all the speed that I pay for. I'm only on the 4mbit because I share with 6 other people and it doesn't take much for someone to eat all the bandwidth on a smaller connection, even with the QoS on my router.

I don't like to say this, but I don't have this problem at home on NTL...

Student areas

They offer 'up to' they don't guarantee 4Mbit at all, sorry man.

[ian@huth]

Originally Posted by webvictim

In my view, if they say "this is the price for this level of service" then they should honour that. They know how much bandwidth they need for the area from the amount of money they make off subscriptions, so they should install enough capacity to make sure that everyone can get the bandwidth they pay for.

They could do just that but you wouldn't want to pay the price it would cost.

[ameen]

will whats the point of having 6mb service when you only can download up to 250kB/s and thats from p2p i have a 4mb down speed all the thing that i have been downloading from websites does not reach a 250kB/s download because most of websites does not allow you to download at you maximum speed the only place i was able to download with my full speed is from p2p so realy you better of with a 2mb down speed service most of websites does not support are do not allow you to download with all your speed

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by webvictim

In my view, if they say "this is the price for this level of service" then they should honour that. They know how much bandwidth they need for the area from the amount of money they make off subscriptions, so they should install enough capacity to make sure that everyone can get the bandwidth they pay for.

I might as well just downgrade to 2mbit, save myself £20/month and actually get all the speed that I pay for. I'm only on the 4mbit because I share with 6 other people and it doesn't take much for someone to eat all the bandwidth on a smaller connection, even with the QoS on my router.

I don't like to say this, but I don't have this problem at home on NTL...

You pay to get UP to that speed. You are paying for a contended service (as nearly all home broadband connections are). Put simply, the company assumes that most users won't hammer their connections 24/7 and buys bandwidth on that assumption. NTL offer 20:1 contention. which means they buy 1 users worth of bandwidth for every 20 users. To put this into context, most ADSL providers offer 50:1 contention. Unforetunately, they don't guarantee 20:1 contention, and in some (busy) areas, the contention may be higher.

If you want guarenteed speed, you will need to start up a business account (& these can be a *lot* more expensive).

[Pø†øƒGøL�]

Did anyone see/hear any more rumours about this (or any other) speed upgrades? It seems to have gone quiet everywhere and I'm real hopeful about getting an increase sometime

[andymt]

to be honest with you having speeds faster than 4mb is only useful for offices on a large network-having 6-10mb on one machine is stupid, and, cuz you can only visit one site at once, you will prob not see much difference between 4 and 6 unless you have a network.


anyway fgs i dunno y everyone is so uptight im on 1mb and im a heavy user. all i care about is that there are no caps.
i download movies, music, the lot.... and 1mb is fine.

i can do a movie in 2hrs!

[Pø†øƒGøL�]

Actually I'm after faster u/l speeds, and unless you take the top d/l package then you don't get offered anything faster than 256k. I have so much d/l speed I don't know what to do with it - but the u/l is not much good when you're trying to store data via ftp or send files to your friends.

[mrlipring]

Originally Posted by andymt

to be honest with you having speeds faster than 4mb is only useful for offices on a large network-having 6-10mb on one machine is stupid, and, cuz you can only visit one site at once, you will prob not see much difference between 4 and 6 unless you have a network.


anyway fgs i dunno y everyone is so uptight im on 1mb and im a heavy user. all i care about is that there are no caps.
i download movies, music, the lot.... and 1mb is fine.

i can do a movie in 2hrs!

you can do a one disc xvid or a one disc vcd, or a short svcd in an hour. What about a dvdr? That'd take you5 hours.

It's INSANE to say that >4mbit is useless for the home user.

Any sort of heavy downloader wants better speeds. I download a lot and play a fair bit of games online. I obviously can't do both at the same time. A faster pipe gives me more free time to play games.

If you do any usenet downloading you should find it fairly easy to max out 3mbit. with a decent news host, maxing out 10mbit should be dead easy.

Personally, the amount i download at the moment is enough. I can't really see me downloading MUCH more. A faster connection would just allow me to download roughly the same amount, in less time.

I do a fair bit of uploading, so the extra upload would definitely be useful for me, though.

Perhaps you're fine with 1mbit, but lots of us crave better speeds.

[andymt]

true.

upload speeds are important-especially as with the tw 1mb package only has 128up.

i dont upload THAT much, but when i do i find it slows down my download speed.

yeah i suppose a little extra speed wouldn't go astray but to be honest i dont wanna be sitting at my pc all day downloading id rather do other stuff and, if i had a faster speed i would find myself doin more and more downloadin.

[Admin Edit - Simon M] Discussions surrounding illegal downloads are not welcome here

[Ignition]

Originally Posted by andymt

i dont wanna download tooo much of that illegal stuff cause 1 day i will get caught and have to pay a huge fine-my fri just had to pay £2300 in damages after he was traced.

They are usually more interested in people who are uploading large quantities of data on P2P networks, Fast Track, Gnutella, Bittorrent they are more likely to want to have a chat with someone saying

Originally Posted by mrlipring

I do a fair bit of uploading, so the extra upload would definitely be useful for me, though.

to maintain a ratio on a Bittorrent site than someone who downloads here and there and spends time on Limewire.

[andymt]

so u dont think i will get caught if i download a few movies each month?


im worried...lol

[mrlipring]

I'm having trouble understanding your sentence, iggy.

[Ignition]

Originally Posted by andymt

so u dont think i will get caught if i download a few movies each month?


im worried...lol

I doubt it, there are people who are uploading a few movies a week something far more frowned upon.

There are people downloading a few movies a day.
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Originally Posted by mrlipring

I'm having trouble understanding your sentence, iggy.

We all have things we don't understand. I struggle to understand why your avatar is a dude (you?) doing an impression of 'The Rock' of WWE fame, what the story is with that moustache / goatee, it's all part of the rich tapestry

Think what I said makes sense in a roundabout way, simply that the authorities would be far more interested in someone like yourself who uploads a fair bit than someone who is downloading bits here and there.

[mrlipring]

Originally Posted by Ignition

I doubt it, there are people who are uploading a few movies a week something far more frowned upon.

There are people downloading a few movies a day.
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We all have things we don't understand. I struggle to understand why your avatar is a dude (you?) doing an impression of 'The Rock' of WWE fame, what the story is with that moustache / goatee, it's all part of the rich tapestry

Think what I said makes sense in a roundabout way, simply that the authorities would be far more interested in someone like yourself who uploads a fair bit than someone who is downloading bits here and there.

Yeah, it's me. lol. The pic's a long story. And it's not particularly interesting either. I won't bore ya.

why would the authorities be interested in me? Is the bittorrent protocol illegal itself?

You know i use BT because i told you i did. You don't know what i use it for. Don't go flinging accusations.

You'd think, mind you, that authorities have bigger and more important fish to fry.

If, for example, i were to download and watch a film that isn't/won't be available here, who's losing money?

Or if i was to download and watch a TV show i'd missed, where's the harm?

Instead of criminalising people who've done nothing wrong morally, the authorities could spend more time making sure real criminals don't get off on technicalities.

[Ignition]

Originally Posted by mrlipring

You know i use BT because i told you i did. You don't know what i use it for. Don't go flinging accusations.

You'd think, mind you, that authorities have bigger and more important fish to fry.

If, for example, i were to download and watch a film that isn't/won't be available here, who's losing money?

Or if i was to download and watch a TV show i'd missed, where's the harm?

Instead of criminalising people who've done nothing wrong morally, the authorities could spend more time making sure real criminals don't get off on technicalities.

Don't think I need much imagination to know what you use BT for to be honest.

Tell the authorities that, they are quite happy to bust file sharers.

Anyway this is about the non-existent 6Mbit Blueyonder product, which was supposed to have come out a couple of months ago, not the legalities or otherwise of P2P abusage.

Actually mods any chance of this thread dying, the rumour has been proven to be highly untrue, TW have no speed upgrades on the horizon until probably November (to coincide with BT's launch of MaxDSL) or the 10mbit trial leading to release of the commercial product in 2006.