Royals cost Britain £37m a year

Originally Posted by purenuman

I envy the people who I perceive have a better life than I do.... of course I do. That's not the royals........ I would not swap places with any of them.

I certainly don't envy the royals at all, parts of their lives are totally ridiculous and most of the rest is pomp and nonsense I can live with that...... If we are not paying.

They have fed off the people of this country (and others) for many many years....... Let them be if you must but lets stop paying them benefit...... That's not envy, it's fair.

They are rich enough and big enough to pay their own way.

The thing is, this is not money they just get handed for nothing. It is effectively their pay for all the engagements they perform. This is the total figure for all the Royals and is somewhat less than certain top footballers rake in. And IMO they work somewhat harder than your average top-flight footballer.

[purenuman]

Originally Posted by Incognitas

They do!The Queen pays taxes and Charlie also pays his own way.He takes nothing out of the civil list at all.

They don't!............ we make up the shortfall of £37+ million

Charles does pay tax and doesn't take anything from the civil list.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4089479.stm

He voluntarily pays income tax at 40% on his duchy income and, like Princes William and Harry, does not have an allowance from the Civil List.

[purenuman]

Originally Posted by allieyoung666

But that pomp is part of English history, and you should be proud of what you have.

I never said we should get rid...... Just that we should not keep paying.

Their amassed wealth is the blood sweat and tears of many many men, women & children of many generations.

Let them keep it, let them stay! But let them pay......

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Originally Posted by Incognitas

Charles does pay tax and doesn't take anything from the civil list.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4089479.stm

I'm not saying they don't pay tax..... Just that they don't pay their way.

They don't pay enough because we make up the shortfall....

[SMHarman]

But get rid of them and we still have a cost base of buildings, building security etc that will cost the Govt. £37m a year. In fact they would probably find a PPP to run it for them at a cost of £100m a year and claim this was a saving.
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The growth in the Dutchy Originals (Organic) brand must be helping the income stream.

Originally Posted by purenuman

I never said we should get rid...... Just that we should not keep paying.

Their amassed wealth is the blood sweat and tears of many many men, women & children of many generations.

Let them keep it, let them stay! But let them pay......

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I'm not saying they don't pay tax..... Just that they don't pay their way.

They don't pay enough because we make up the shortfall....

So now going by this we should stop paying for the upkeep of the Houses of Parliament and expect the MP's to pay for them instead out of the money we pay them as wages?

Also Charlie Boy and his son's take nothing out of the civil list.Surely we can keep them?

[Chrysalis]

We could argue the same for mp's who get high salaries but are able to claim various topups for expenses which normal people would be expected to pay themselves.

[purenuman]

Originally Posted by Incognitas

So now going by this we should stop paying for the upkeep of the Houses of Parliament and expect the MP's to pay for them instead out of the money we pay them as wages?

No we shouldn't

MP's are our chosen elected representatives..... They are not in place because of some archaic privalige system....

Now if you meant the house of Lords

Originally Posted by Incognitas

Also Charlie Boy and his son's take nothing out of the civil list.Surely we can keep them?

I never said we should get rid of them, stop making up your own arguments

Yes we can keep him...... but stop paying
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Originally Posted by Chrysalis

We could argue the same for mp's who get high salaries but are able to claim various topups for expenses which normal people would be expected to pay themselves.

Look if we keep comparing them with MP's then it's only fair that we can elect the royals as well........

Originally Posted by purenuman

No we shouldn't

MP's are our chosen elected representatives..... They are not in place because of some archaic privalige system....

Now if you meant the house of Lords



I never said we should get rid of them, stop making up your own arguments

Yes we can keep him...... but stop paying
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Look if we keep comparing them with MP's then it's only fair that we can elect the royals as well........

So you don't mind the fact that these people that WE vote for and WE employ and pay the wages of, can vote how much of a salary increase they can have each year AND also vote themselves inflation proof pensions just because we can vote for them in a general election each year.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2145708.stm

Anyway after that comment about the house of Lords I think you are just coming across more and more as the sort who objects because you just see privilege and not the hard work that is provided by the royal family.At least with a succession there is no need for an election every 5 years.We have also got one of the longest serving monarchs which makes her very much worth the money..

But here you won't see that because you obviuosly think that they do absolutely nothing for the money..

Which is how I regard my MP incidentally who has been my MP for 30 years.He's useless but keeps getting re-elected because this is a Tory stronghold.Someone I have not voted for.

[allieyoung666]

i agree with Coggy, who do you want to vote for? The Chav Royal Family, or the royle family. There is nothing wrong with the monarchy the press should keep their nebs out.

[purenuman]

Originally Posted by Incognitas

So you don't mind the fact that these people that WE vote for and WE employ and pay the wages of, can vote how much of a salary increase they can have each year AND also vote themselves inflation proof pensions just because we can vote for them in a general election each year.

No! I don't mind not because we can vote for them........
Because we can vote to get rid of them..........

Originally Posted by Incognitas

Anyway after that comment about the house of Lords I think you are just coming across more and more as the sort who objects because you just see privilege and not the hard work that is provided by the royal family.

The house of Lords comment was humour hence the big grin

Originally Posted by Incognitas

But here you won't see that because you obviuosly think that they do absolutely nothing for the money..

No need to tell me what I think! Just ask............ Saves you getting it wrong.

I don't think they need or deserve the money! That is not the same as saying they do nothing.

Originally Posted by Incognitas

Which is how I regard my MP incidentally who has been my MP for 30 years.He's useless but keeps getting re-elected because this is a Tory stronghold.Someone I have not voted for.

No he keeps getting re-elected because the people who live in your locality voted for and chose him, it's called democracy.... If you don't like it you can vote for somebody else, campaign for somebody else or even stand yourself......... Now that's fair

[Chrysalis]

Dont get me started on mp's, about 80% of seats are not electable they are strongholds so the mp's are chosen by party leaders not the public, and like Incognitas said we have no control over their salaries either.

[allieyoung666]

at least the royals do stuff

[SMHarman]

One of the Suns talking heads had a great couple of paragraphs on this today, something along the lines of compare and contrast the royal familys £37m to John Prescott who has.

Presided over the renationalisation of the railways £137Bn
The Dome £10Bn
Diving Trips for the Environment

So divvying that all up this is about £250 per man woman and child, great value, can we discuss him instead.

[Pierre]

Get off the Royals back.

Apart froma few hangers on that I would get rid of...............

Thet do more good than harm for this country. Prove otherwise.