Rape Claim Wife gets 12 months

[Bex]

Originally Posted by orangebird

Sorry, but IMO he was. Anyone care to answer my hypothetical question?

but as i clearly pointed out you had misunderstood what chris had said originally. of course you wouldn't tell your daughter you were going to wait to pass judgement. you would get her to the police and make her feel secure.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by orangebird

But regardless, if one of your daughters come home claiming she'd been raped, what would you say? 'I'm sorry you're distressed sweeheart, but I'll reserve judgement on whether you're telling the truth or not til it's gone to court. And even then, if the alleged rapist gets convicted, I'd be happier to wait for him to appeal and get the results of that, just so I know for sure.... '

If I read what you posted correctly, I think you are comparing Apples and Oranges. Chris' post was having a go at those on this forum who like to leap in and say "burn the criminal" without reading the full facts. Something I have noticed a lot recently. Thus, he is talking about what a bunch of people, who may have no real knowledge apart from what they read or see on Telly.

You are talking about a person experiencing rape, then going to a family member. Now, they would be extremely distraught, in shock, or a good actor. There may also be some physical evidence of the rape (torn clothes, bruising etc). Combine that with the fact that you may well know the person, and that 99.9% of people would not cry Rape falsely, and you will see that the actions of a few random forum members (who may or may not have experienced rape) who have read either forum posts, or one article, cannot be compared with the actions of someone who has experienced Rape.

[allieyoung666]

It is the poor guy I feel soory for, she sounds like she needs to be in a mental aslyum toot suit!

I'm going to go one further than Bex and say Chris is absolutely right on all counts and deserves immediate enrolment in the CF Hall of Fame and, when science allows, to be the father of my future children. Or is that a bit over the top?

Terrible case; devious, selfish and irresponsible woman. But as Ian, I think, pointed out, newsworthy due to its unusual nature. But were rape so unnewsworthy.

[Graham]

Originally Posted by orangebird

regardless, if one of your daughters come home claiming she'd been raped, what would you say? 'I'm sorry you're distressed sweeheart, but I'll reserve judgement on whether you're telling the truth or not til it's gone to court. And even then, if the alleged rapist gets convicted, I'd be happier to wait for him to appeal and get the results of that, just so I know for sure.... '

No, but as I keep pointing out, that's why we have an independant Judiciary and Juries to avoid the "lynch mob" mentality.

[cookie_365]

Sorry OB, but I have to agree with Chris on this one - it's not about the way the family should react, but about the way we should react. And I see that some CF members (including me, I have to confess) are quicker to air their opinions than Roberto on BB .....

On the broader issue of anonymity in rape cases, as ever there's no right answer, just answers that aren't as wrong or as badly wrong in as many cases, if you see what I mean.

Anonymity for alleged perpertrator: good if you're falsely accused and aquitted, bad if you did the crime but get off with it and as a result other victims don't get to add their evidence.

Anonymity for alleged victim: good if you really were the victim and can't face being a victim again, bad if you're making it up and other people you've 'accused' can't add their evidence.

Now, very few accusations of rape are false, so you might think that 'no' and 'yes' respectively are the answers, but the problem with that is that the bads for 'no' and 'yes' are so extremely bad to make it less easy to decide.

I've just reread my last 3 paragraphs and they're crap aren't they? - I've had a hard day at work - can anyone translate into English?

[Russ]

I think one of the points to note in this is how well the woman manipulated society's automatic tendancy to believe females in cases like this.

No doubt in many times this is correct however to approach all 'rape' scenarios as if the woman is 'obviously' going to be telling the truth is dangerous.

Just an afterthought: what if the guy she accused had been a premiership footballer

Originally Posted by Russ D

I think one of the points to note in this is how well the woman manipulated society's automatic tendancy to believe females in cases like this.

No doubt in many times this is correct however to approach all 'rape' scenarios as if the woman is 'obviously' going to be telling the truth is dangerous.

Just an afterthought: what if the guy she accused had been a premiership footballer

What difference would it make whether he was a footballer or not/Doesn't seem relevent to me.She did a wicked thing to a totally innocent man who had no idea that she was even married from the sound of it.

Bearing false witness against anyone for any reason is a wicked and disgusting thing to do.

[kronas]

absolutely despicable she did not even stop to think what her actions have entailed, i mean it just puts a bigger spotlight on other genuine cases.

she should have been jailed for another couple of years.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Incognitas

What difference would it make whether he was a footballer or not/Doesn't seem relevent to me.She did a wicked thing to a totally innocent man who had no idea that she was even married from the sound of it.

Bearing false witness against anyone for any reason is a wicked and disgusting thing to do.

Absolutely but had he been a footballer, I wonder if the number of people who had already judged him guilty would have drastically risen...

[kronas]

Originally Posted by Bex

it just highlights for me what this world is turning into

well this world is slowing degrading to points where you eventually become desensitised.

[Escapee]

I wouldn't want anyone to think I'm playing down the disgusting act of rape, or the trauma involved. In my mind her sentence should of been longer than the guy would of got for rape, had he been guilty. This woman was prepared to go to let an innocent person go to prison for a crime he didn't commit, surely her sentence should be equal or greater than that of a guilty rapist.

[Stuart]

They have to strike a balance. If they sentence a woman too harshly for this crime, they risk putting other (genuine) rape victims off (in case they are prosecuted). If they don't sentence harshly enough, the woman would be seen to have got away with it.

[paulyoung666]

Originally Posted by scastle

They have to strike a balance. If they sentence a woman too harshly for this crime, they risk putting other (genuine) rape victims off (in case they are prosecuted). If they don't sentence harshly enough, the woman would be seen to have got away with it.

and that i reckon is the sticking point , i am not sure if there will ever be an answer to it

Originally Posted by Escapee

I wouldn't want anyone to think I'm playing down the disgusting act of rape, or the trauma involved. In my mind her sentence should of been longer than the guy would of got for rape, had he been guilty. This woman was prepared to go to let an innocent person go to prison for a crime he didn't commit, surely her sentence should be equal or greater than that of a guilty rapist.

I agree, this was sick. However I think it is a question of balance to ensure real rape victims come forwards. She has properly lost her family, has lost her reputation, and has been has all the details for her horrible crime released to the public, so that is at least something

I think this again shows the need for total media blackout from reporting cases involving rape, it is NOT in the public interest. So in cases like this the mens reputation isnt ruined. Also she could get the time she deserves.