NTL promoting copyright infringement

[Nemesis]

Originally posted by th'engineer
never heard the cap explained to anyone its hidden in the AUP

Even so, it's unlikely to be in an advert for the service, just as it's not in adverts for other capped services.

[th'engineer]

Originally posted by Nemesis
Even so, it's unlikely to be in an advert for the service, just as it's not in adverts for other capped services.

Agree but are they not better telling customers about it,you saw an ad for downloading movies but can not download them because of our AUP.

Its all a big con to get you to subcribe

[kronas]

damn i just read through 10 pages

Originally posted by downquark1
I'll be the first to cry if NTL go under - but - they have done something wrong. They need to be held accountable. Personally, I'd just fire whoever made that advert.

same here i cannot believe people want NTL to be accounted for this advert your affectivly killing the company if a huge fine or major action is taken against them

Originally posted by Nemesis
This is true, but when Fox, Disney, universal, etc start shedding jobs because of it ...

really well this would quash your theory then

Disney's Pirates of the Caribbean: Curse of the Black Pearl has taken more than $100m (£64.1m ) outside the US.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertain...lm/3185391.stm

Hollywood film studios are celebrating a record year at the box office.
Movie-ticket sales for 2001 totalled $8.35 billion (£5.7 billion) by the end of New Year's Eve, up from last year's record of $7.7 billion (£5.2 billion), according to a Los Angeles box office tracker.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertain...lm/1737277.stm

they arent suffering as bad as they make out.......

i dont condone piracy but NTL are clearly stating what is possible with the broadband service they are NOT pointing out how and where to get them just providing a faster net service that is capable of downloading larger files compaired to dial up

personally i think all you guys who want NTL to suffer should leave them because they do NOT need customers like you who have vendetta's gripes with them who are affectivly trying to turn every single screw to get them fined etc

[andygrif]

Originally posted by timewarrior2001
NTL are NOT inflicting a loss on anyone.
What people choose to do with their conection that just happens to be provided by NTL is their business and/or the business of the people trying to get it stopped.
NTL are not to blame for what people do with their connections.

Read what I wrote again!

Every time you watch a movie that you have downloaded illegally, the Studios suffer a loss. Every time you download a music track, the composers and artists suffer a loss.

As a conduit for inflicting loss on others, ntl should prepare themselves to be sued. The entertainment business is a highly litigious industry, and immensely protective.

It is like the driver of the car in the bank robbery - he didn't do the crime of robbing the bank, but he aided and abbetted those who did, and as such is almost as culpable.

[kronas]

Originally posted by andygrif

It is like the driver of the car in the bank robbery - he didn't do the crime of robbing the bank, but he aided and abbetted those who did, and as such is almost as culpable.

one thing your forgetting is if a person was not going to buy something yet they found it for free and took how would a company be losing profits ?

[Shaun]

Originally posted by orangebird
You can't compare the two, that really is grasping at straws.

CHild porn is disgusting/**** of the earth/sick/ etc etc etc which can destroy peoples lives forever.

You don't need to tell me about it, I know all about it.

The thing is, both happen on the Internet, and both are wrong. However Ntl need to get a grip of their advertising agency, because they are going to e in real trouble if they don't. Have you looked at the ASA's website???

[andygrif]

Originally posted by Nemesis
You are allowed to copy it, if you own the original.

You do not own the original. You own a pressing of the master disc.

You are NOT allowed (technically) to copy the CD or any other format you might own, to any other format, unless you are in possesion of either written permission from the copyright holder or a dubbing licence from both PPL and MCPS.

Contrary to popular belief, and although it is accepted that it goes on and generally allowed - you have no rights whatsoever to copy anything, irrespective of the reason and irrespective of the ownership of the CD.

In the US it is different, that is how the law stands in the UK. As someone who's job involves regular consulation with both of the bodies, as well as advising my customers on licensing issues, you can take it from me that this is the truth.

That said, it is accepted that this practice goes on - and to be honest no body such as PPL/IFPI would go after someone for making a cassette for the car of a CD you own, and even if they did no court in the land would entertain the case.

But technically, it is ILLEGAL (and they are watching you! one day I might tell you how!!)

[Shaun]

Originally posted by orangebird
OH, OK. And if ntl get a bloody great fine, where do you think they're going to cut costs?

Good, lets start with the advertising agency.

[kronas]

andygrif it is dodgey ground if you make a backup yes technically your not allowed to but it is accepted and i doubt anyone would care because you do own the original in the retail sense

[andygrif]

Originally posted by orangebird
What illegal claims have they made?

There are 4000000000000 movies downloaded from the internet (or whatever) - fact - what's illegal about that?

Spiderman was in the internet before it was in the cinema - fact. Anything illegal about that?

Stop making mountains out of molehills. You want to stop something terrible and illegal, give your spare time to the NSPCC, or your local animal rescue centre or something - run a marathon to raise funds for a battered wives shelter.

Or just get a grip and a sense of perspective.....

Can you read?

And you talk about me getting a grip!!!!

This has nothing to do with me being Deputy Hollywood - a one man mission to rid the world of you evil downloaders.

I'm just quoting facts. I couldn't care less what you download. But if I find you I might just report you...bwahahaha

[andygrif]

Originally posted by orangebird
OH, OK. And if ntl get a bloody great fine, where do you think they're going to cut costs?

You know what they say?

You do the crime.......

[th'engineer]

Logistics

[Shaun]

Originally posted by Nemesis
Even so, it's unlikely to be in an advert for the service, just as it's not in adverts for other capped services.

I believe BT make you aware on their TV adverts that you will need to redial after 60 min to avoid charges. Companies do let people know, NTL don't.

[Macca]

I've trudged through all the posts and my opinion has still not changed since my one and only post on page 1, but I would like to know what the major issue is:

The apparent advertising of an unlimited service.

or

The apparent advertising of illegal d/loads.

Originally posted by andygrif
Read what I wrote again!



It is like the driver of the car in the bank robbery - he didn't do the crime of robbing the bank, but he aided and abbetted those who did, and as such is almost as culpable.

Well with that thinking lets abolish the internet because thats how a lot of paedophiles get their stuff.
Ban all ISP's destroy the whole internet and downt even allow online games.

after all the internet is aiding and abbetting the sick paedos isnt it?



Come on man, think real, thats all I ask.