NTL promoting copyright infringement - Page 14

downquark1 · 05-09-2003, 14:26

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Originally posted by JustAnotherN00b

Fair to say most people really wouldn't care less.

I couldn't care less in someone in Birmingham (being safe and sound in Manchester) was robbed - it doesn't mean it's not wrong and shouldn't be punished.

th'engineer · 05-09-2003, 14:26

Well justanothernoob the balls in your court you should have the PM. The decision is yours

05-09-2003, 14:28

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Originally posted by andygrif
But that's the point. The reason people get sued is becuase they have suffered losses.

Every time you watch a movie that you have downloaded illegally, the Studios suffer a loss. Every time you download a music track, the composers and artists suffer a loss.

As a conduit for inflicting loss on others, ntl should prepare themselves to be sued. The entertainment business is a highly litigious industry, and immensely protective.

If someone stole ntl's copyright you would expect them to sue, so why should it not work the other way around? Becuase they don't have much money? Well they should be more careful when they make illegal claims then.

NTL are NOT inflicting a loss on anyone.
What people choose to do with their conection that just happens to be provided by NTL is their business and/or the business of the people trying to get it stopped.
NTL are not to blame for what people do with their connections.

Nemesis · 05-09-2003, 14:31

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Originally posted by andygrif
Most people don't understand copyright. They are the people who think it is LEGAL to copy a CD on to a cassette to listen to in the car.

You are allowed to copy it, if you own the original.

Nemesis · 05-09-2003, 14:32

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Originally posted by timewarrior2001
NTL are NOT inflicting a loss on anyone.
What people choose to do with their conection that just happens to be provided by NTL is their business and/or the business of the people trying to get it stopped.
NTL are not to blame for what people do with their connections.

But they are responsible for advertising illegal actions in order to get more business

orangebird · 05-09-2003, 14:37

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Originally posted by andygrif
But that's the point. The reason people get sued is becuase they have suffered losses.

Every time you watch a movie that you have downloaded illegally, the Studios suffer a loss. Every time you download a music track, the composers and artists suffer a loss.

As a conduit for inflicting loss on others, ntl should prepare themselves to be sued. The entertainment business is a highly litigious industry, and immensely protective one.

If someone stole ntl's copyright you would expect them to sue, so why should it not work the other way around? Becuase they don't have much money? Well they should be more careful when they make illegal claims then.

What illegal claims have they made?

There are 4000000000000 movies downloaded from the internet (or whatever) - fact - what's illegal about that?

Spiderman was in the internet before it was in the cinema - fact. Anything illegal about that?

Stop making mountains out of molehills. You want to stop something terrible and illegal, give your spare time to the NSPCC, or your local animal rescue centre or something - run a marathon to raise funds for a battered wives shelter.

Or just get a grip and a sense of perspective.....

Shaun · 05-09-2003, 14:38

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Originally posted by timewarrior2001
NTL are NOT inflicting a loss on anyone.
What people choose to do with their conection that just happens to be provided by NTL is their business and/or the business of the people trying to get it stopped.
NTL are not to blame for what people do with their connections.

So as someone else already said, it would be in 'in your book' if they adverted that you can download child porn then. Come on.

You guys still haven't answered my other comments about what you think should be done

05-09-2003, 14:38

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Originally posted by orangebird
What illegal claims have they made?

There are 4000000000000 movies downloaded from the internet (or whatever) - fact - what's illegal about that?

Spiderman was in the internet before it was in the cinema - fact. Anything illegal about that?

Stop making mountains out of molehills. You want to stop something terrible and illegal, give your spare time to the NSPCC, or your local animal rescue centre or something - run a marathon to raise funds for a battered wives shelter.

Or just get a grip and a sense of perspective.....

You go OB

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orangebird · 05-09-2003, 14:41

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Originally posted by dellwear
So as someone else already said, it would be in 'in your book' if they adverted that you can download child porn then. Come on.

You guys still haven't answered my other comments about what you think should be done

You can't compare the two, that really is grasping at straws.

CHild porn is disgusting/**** of the earth/sick/ etc etc etc which can destroy peoples lives forever.
Copying a film illegally mean the company doesn't receive the royalties. Whoop-de bloody doo.

Not comparable at all. What was I saying about perspective?......

downquark1 · 05-09-2003, 14:52

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Originally posted by orangebird
What illegal claims have they made?

There are 4000000000000 movies downloaded from the internet (or whatever) - fact - what's illegal about that?

Spiderman was in the internet before it was in the cinema - fact. Anything illegal about that?

Stop making mountains out of molehills. You want to stop something terrible and illegal, give your spare time to the NSPCC, or your local animal rescue centre or something - run a marathon to raise funds for a battered wives shelter.

Or just get a grip and a sense of perspective.....

It is not the facts themselves that are illegal. NTL are advertising an internet service and are using these facts as incentives. As the things the facts are describing are illegal, then you could say that NTL are supporting illegal practices or at least using them to gain customers.

Nemesis · 05-09-2003, 14:52

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Originally posted by orangebird
YCopying a film illegally mean the company doesn't receive the royalties. Whoop-de bloody doo.

This is true, but when Fox, Disney, universal, etc start shedding jobs because of it ...

05-09-2003, 14:54

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Originally posted by orangebird
You want to stop something terrible and illegal, give your spare time to the NSPCC, or your local animal rescue centre or something - run a marathon to raise funds for a battered wives shelter...

Talking of "grasping at straws", don't you think by introducing the above that you are more guilty than anyone?

The kind of quote above is always trotted out when someone cannot think of anything else to substantiate their arguement.

btw...how do you know what any of the members do in the rest of their spare time?

orangebird · 05-09-2003, 14:56

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Originally posted by Nemesis
This is true, but when Fox, Disney, universal, etc start shedding jobs because of it ...

OH, OK. And if ntl get a bloody great fine, where do you think they're going to cut costs?

It's a shame I've never seen you so supportive of ntl employees when other members here and .com quite openly say how much they would like the company to go under....

Nemesis · 05-09-2003, 14:56

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Originally posted by orangebird
There are 4000000000000 movies downloaded from the internet (or whatever) - fact - what's illegal about that?

Spiderman was in the internet before it was in the cinema - fact. Anything illegal about that?

Facts are facts, unchangeable reality.

Using these facts to sell a service, when the facts are an undesirable ? Right or Wrong ?

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You want to stop something terrible and illegal, give your spare time to the NSPCC, or your local animal rescue centre or something [/B]

Do that already.

downquark1 · 05-09-2003, 14:58

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Originally posted by orangebird
OH, OK. And if ntl get a bloody great fine, where do you think they're going to cut costs?

It's a shame I've never seen you so supportive of ntl employees when other members here and .com quite openly say how much they would like the company to go under....

I'll be the first to cry if NTL go under - but - they have done something wrong. They need to be held accountable. Personally, I'd just fire whoever made that advert.