NTL promoting copyright infringement - Page 3

04-09-2003, 22:22

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Originally posted by Gandalf
nothing surprises me when it comes to NTL.

This is how they get the custom.

"customs" may be interested too lol

MovedGoalPosts · 04-09-2003, 22:53

I seem to recall when the cap first came out, a BBC online article which implied that one of the reasons for a cap was pressure from the BPI (British Phongraphic Industry) to reduce illegal downloads.

OK so yes here we are talking of movie downloads, but it's much the same thing really. It's copyrighted material, and ntl seem to be promoting that it's OK to get hold of it without paying the authors.

I can see FACT, BPI, MPAA and anybody else watching this very closely.

th'engineer · 04-09-2003, 22:58

if anyone can get any copies of this advert i am willing to pick them up as its just over the border in yorkshire.
I will the send them to the relevant organisations, including FACT and the ASA.
I think that Vidzone will also be interested in this recent campaign by NTL, SKY will also be interested and Disney

So if you have a few copies or can point me in the direction of stores that stock it please PM me

DonFluffy · 04-09-2003, 23:06

I hope NTL go down in flames for this advert. What the hell were they thinking. Is there no thought process involved with that company any more.

04-09-2003, 23:08

OK guys bit of a dumb move by NTL to say the least, but trying to get your TV and telephone supplier and your ISP taken too court is as equally silly.

What happens to the customers when NTL gets hit with a huge fine and a bigger legal bill? our bills will go up yes it will affect us all.

I dont want loss of service, increase in bills or monitoring on my inmternet connection and the little stunts you lot are trying to pull are jeopardising this not just for me but for everyone.
I hope to god non of you evcer have the gall to say the internet shouldnt have any kind of enforcement.

PLease stop and think about exactly what you are doing.

kronas · 04-09-2003, 23:09

Quote:

Originally posted by timewarrior2001
OK guys bit of a dumb move by NTL to say the least, but trying to get your TV and telephone supplier and your ISP taken too court is as equally silly.

What happens to the customers when NTL gets hit with a huge fine and a bigger legal bill? our bills will go up yes it will affect us all.

I dont want loss of service, increase in bills or monitoring on my inmternet connection and the little stunts you lot are trying to pull are jeopardising this not just for me but for everyone.
I hope to god non of you evcer have the gall to say the internet shouldnt have any kind of enforcement.

PLease stop and think about exactly what you are doing.

i totally agree with the above

MovedGoalPosts · 04-09-2003, 23:28

This is not about trying to get ntl taken to court. If that happens only the vultures (lawyers) win.

This is about getting ntl to advertise their services in a fair manner so that potential new (and existing) customers are not mislead. It's about getting ntl to be consistent in the messages they send to their customers.

To attempt to promote the ability and availability of a service that would be illegal to use is just unbelievable. To indicate on one hand that this volume of data transfer is available, when on the other hand the company is desperately trying to limit download use, is frankly appalling.

Departments and management at ntl clearly do not communicate. The regulators seem disinterested or powerless in getting ntl to play fair. At some stage or other ntl have to be made to behave properly. Regrettably, it may take the threat's of legal action to make ntl follow the rules of good business.

04-09-2003, 23:32

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Originally posted by MovedGoalPosts
This is not about trying to get ntl taken to court. If that happens only the vultures (lawyers) win.

This is about getting ntl to advertise their services in a fair manner so that potential new (and existing) customers are not mislead. It's about getting ntl to be consistent in the messages they send to their customers.

To attempt to promote the ability and availability of a service that would be illegal to use is just unbelievable. To indicate on one hand that this volume of data transfer is available, when on the other hand the company is desperately trying to limit download use, is frankly appalling.

Departments and management at ntl clearly do not communicate. The regulators seem disinterested or powerless in getting ntl to play fair. At some stage or other ntl have to be made to behave properly. Regrettably, it may take the threat's of legal action to make ntl follow the rules of good business.

Sorry but I distinctly read somewhere that FACT had been contacted. Therefor it is about getting NTL prosecuted.

I am not going to comment on the article as I have no legal experience and I do not know anything of copyright law.

What I do know is that some people have jumped in here and done some very strange things. It appears because of personal vendettas against NTL its ok to make others suffer.

Think about this:-
If NTL get shafted in court and it costs them Millions, how the hell are they gonna upgrade and improve the service?

th'engineer · 04-09-2003, 23:41

Quote:

Originally posted by timewarrior2001
OK guys bit of a dumb move by NTL to say the least, but trying to get your TV and telephone supplier and your ISP taken too court is as equally silly.

What happens to the customers when NTL gets hit with a huge fine and a bigger legal bill? our bills will go up yes it will affect us all.

I dont want loss of service, increase in bills or monitoring on my inmternet connection and the little stunts you lot are trying to pull are jeopardising this not just for me but for everyone.
I hope to god non of you evcer have the gall to say the internet shouldnt have any kind of enforcement.

PLease stop and think about exactly what you are doing.

Its the only way NTL learn from being slapped where it hurts in the pocket

04-09-2003, 23:46

I guess my point is that yes NTL are very very stupid to do such a thing, but why are you all reporting them for it?

Ok maybe that is how NTL learn, but does that make it ok to carry out an action that could affect others that want no part of it?

If NTL had caused you no problems at all, would you honestly be carrying out these actions?

What if (and yes I am kinda exagerating here) NTL went bust over this, I cannot receive BB from ANY other company where I live, why should I suffer in those circumstances?

All I am saying is that think carefully of what the consequences could be before you start reporting a company that provides YOU with a service. Albeit a sometimes ropey one.

th'engineer · 04-09-2003, 23:50

Many people have tried constructive communications with NTL and failed due to the arrogance of the company .

If they dont change they will lose customers and your bills will go up or they will go into chapter 11 again.

Trust me its for NTLs own good its like taking medicine to cure a sickness

04-09-2003, 23:53

seems more like assisted suicide to me lol.

I understand your comments, but I dont agree with the actions of reporting NTL to the relevant organisations.
I think it stems from personal gripes with the company and isnt intended for the good of others.

But hey thats my opinion, yours will differ.
I just felt that I wanted to say my piece in this thread and offer at least a bit of balance.

Stuart W · 05-09-2003, 00:01

Quote:

Originally posted by timewarrior2001
Sorry but I distinctly read somewhere that FACT had been contacted. Therefor it is about getting NTL prosecuted.

I am not going to comment on the article as I have no legal experience and I do not know anything of copyright law.

What I do know is that some people have jumped in here and done some very strange things. It appears because of personal vendettas against NTL its ok to make others suffer.

Think about this:-
If NTL get shafted in court and it costs them Millions, how the hell are they gonna upgrade and improve the service?

I have contacted FACT as ntl appear to promote copyright theft.

I apreciate that any financial imposition levied against ntl will be paid by it's customers in the same way that I apreciate we paid for that damn advert.

What I DON'T apreciate is the thought that turning a blind eye to save yourself a few quid is acceptable!

If you don't want ntl to be finned because your services may become more expensive / upgrades will take longer, how far are you prepared to go?

Will it be OK for ntl to tell people they can go on the net and download movies, music, pornography, where to get the best "anonymizer" software, how to hack other ISPs etc. if it means you get cheaper service and quicker upgrades?

How on earth does breaking copyright law become acceptable just because the offending company is in financial difficulty???

Now, before you mug me off as just a muppet with a grudge.... I had a row with NTL about DPA and was in a position to get ntl a hefty financial penalty, but chose not to. The reason I didn't was simple. I was the only affected person as a result of ntl's DPA breach, no-one else. I asked for an appology and (eventualy) got one. That's all I wanted.

Now all I want (along with FACT) is a public appology in an official press release to clear up the copyright laws and what is / isn't permited as acceptable use.

05-09-2003, 00:02

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Originally posted by timewarrior2001
seems more like assisted suicide to me lol.

I understand your comments, but I dont agree with the actions of reporting NTL to the relevant organisations.
I think it stems from personal gripes with the company and isnt intended for the good of others.

But hey thats my opinion, yours will differ.
I just felt that I wanted to say my piece in this thread and offer at least a bit of balance.

i agree timewarrior2001

bite the hand that feeds you?

It's not right, but why SHOUT? - shouldn't it be discussed first?

gaz

th'engineer · 05-09-2003, 00:03

I 100% support NTL in becoming a larger player in the cable market it is only to assist NTL in being more customer focused.

This will then improve the companies standing and win more customers.

Therefore bills will be cheaper money available for upgrades etc.

Unfortunateley like many people have taken time out like most to suggest improvements.

Really support the company however they only learn by it hitting them in the pocket.

Example CAP therefore cant offer 2meg hit in the pocket

Unfair conditions compared to AOL on the same network about to be hit in the pocket.

misleading advertisements they get hit in the pocket , the cap has probably cost NTL more to contain it than it has saved them on upgrading infrastructure and continues to do so.