Mac OS 10.4 "Tiger" on april 29th!

[LostintheNW]

No as I am not doing it through university...its done through the Ilex Tutorial College which is a higher education place in itself as its a specialist law degree I am getting

Nuts, Oh well. You may be able to join the NUS as your a student?

But do this: http://store.apple.com/Apple/WebObjects/ukInd

This should be ok. Tiger for £58
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Is it me or is tiger actually great? It creeps up on ya but the speed of safari is nice and zippy. Spotlight and dashboard are very useful, you just start using it without thinking.

AND HAVE ANY OF YOU TRIED RSS SCREEN-SAVER!!

[LostintheNW]

Thanks...I shall give it a go, all they can do is refuse right

If they even check....

[LostintheNW]

lol well if i get away with it with this i shall go for it again when ordering a nice shiny g5

[punky]

I have a NUS card, but there is no expiry date on it (just checked). I wonder if it still works...

What colour is it now? Mine is orange.

[ntlrocks]

I have a ucas card, but unfortunately you have to be 18

Nah forget that, I used it before i was 18

If you have a nus card go to www.nusonline.co.uk register and then go to 'computers and electronics' page. This has a link to the special NUS apple store which is marginally cheaper than the traditional educational store (esp hardware)

[Semi On]

Originally Posted by punky

Apples would be a hell of a lot cheaper if Jobs would stop being a mega-lo-maniac ****hole and release Apple for x86 processors. Legend has it he has compiled it onto x86 (not that difficult, its based on freebsd anyway) and refused to let it out. If he did, everyone could have Apples for 90 quid and an old donor PC.

He wants to bleed people dry selling over-priced piece of aryllics.

Don't anyone say anything bad against my Alu powerbook though, that is actually sweet and very well designed.

OSX on x86 will never happen. Apple is a hardware company first and foremost. Release OSX for x86 and Apple go out of business.

And as for their hardware being overpriced, it depends on how you look at it. In pure bang-for-buck terms, a PC will always be cheaper. And with good reason.

It's all to do with marketshare. Apple have about 3% of the worldwide computer market, so to make a profit with such low volume sales they need to charge more. A PC is a collection of components cobbled together from many different manufacturers, all of whom can sell their components at very low prices due to the sheer number of units they sell.

A Mac is complete product, and while Apple do use other manufacturers parts in their machines, they also design and build many things themselves, such as:

Firewire (which Apple helped create), ethernet, sound, and USB chipsets
Memory and AGP controllers
Bus/switch/hub elements on the motherboard
Airport cards, maybe?
Power management chipsets
Enclosures
PCBs
Drivers
OS
Software

So comparing Macs and PC's isn't that simple. PCââ‚ ¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢s will always get the same job done cheaper, but for some people, money isnââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t the only factor when they buy a computer.

Originally Posted by Semi On

OSX on x86 will never happen. Apple is a hardware company first and foremost. Release OSX for x86 and Apple go out of business.

And as for their hardware being overpriced, it depends on how you look at it. In pure bang-for-buck terms, a PC will always be cheaper. And with good reason.

It's all to do with marketshare. Apple have about 3% of the worldwide computer market, so to make a profit with such low volume sales they need to charge more. A PC is a collection of components cobbled together from many different manufacturers, all of whom can sell their components at very low prices due to the sheer number of units they sell.

A Mac is complete product, and while Apple do use other manufacturers parts in their machines, they also design and build many things themselves, such as:

Firewire (which Apple helped create), ethernet, sound, and USB chipsets
Memory and AGP controllers
Bus/switch/hub elements on the motherboard
Airport cards, maybe?
Power management chipsets
Enclosures
PCBs
Drivers
OS
Software

So comparing Macs and PC's isn't that simple. PCââ‚ ¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢s will always get the same job done cheaper, but for some people, money isnââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t the only factor when they buy a computer.

What about hard drives,graphics cards,memory,optical drives?????so a mac is a mix of there own hard ware and other peices cobbled together from many different manufacturers

[punky]

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

What about hard drives,graphics cards,memory,optical drives?????so a mac is a mix of there own hard ware and other peices cobbled together from many different manufacturers

None of the hardware is Apple. The chips and mobo is made by IBM. In my powerbook, my HD is made by Mat*****a and my HD is Hitachi. The graphics card is by Nvidia. I don't know about the RAM, it doesn't say. The only thing on there that is built by Apple is the case (and screen).

Semi-on: You're right that we'll never see full OSX for x86 (you can download Darwin for x86, but that doesn't include the GUI), but the fact that you say Apple would go out of business if they released OSX onto x86, shows you how much markup is in all that over-engineered casings. Look at the Ipod, despite it being about 100 quid more than the Creative Zen, (the difference is still about 60 quid now, the Creative doesn't try and rip off its customers like apple does) and that Itunes is rubbish, and it has the ridiculous DRM built in, people were still willing to pay it. They won't go bust. Maybe Jobs is worried if they do offer it for x86, so many people will buy it, that it will become a target for hackers and exploiters. People can't always afford to buy Apples on top of PCs but if they offer the OS, so people could dual boot, they marketshare would increase, and the range of software for Apples would increase too.

If you think that Mac Mini is cheap, just imagine the same components, from the manufacturer, in a regular £20 budget case... How much would it be?

Come to think of it... If I could get hold of a PowerPC chip & mobo from IBM, hopefully in ATX form factor, then I wonder if I could build an Apple myself at a bit more reasonable price?

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by punky

<snip> In my powerbook, my HD is made by Mat*****a <snip>

I can understand why the swear filter has blocked part of the manufacturer, but why block out the letters "su" as well?

Originally Posted by punky

Come to think of it... If I could get hold of a PowerPC chip & mobo from IBM, hopefully in ATX form factor, then I wonder if I could build an Apple myself at a bit more reasonable price?

now if I could get hold of that for a fair price . I would consider a bash

[punky]

Originally Posted by scastle

I can understand why the swear filter has blocked part of the manufacturer, but why block out the letters "su" as well?

It isn't Matsu-s-h-i-ta, it is Mats-h-i-t-a. I don't know what the difference is.

I just noticed a typo though. Mat.. do my DVD drive, not my HD.

Originally Posted by punky

It isn't Matsu-s-h-i-ta, it is Mats-h-i-t-a. I don't know what the difference is.

I just noticed a typo though. Mat.. do my DVD drive, not my HD.

its panasonic