YAFT (yet another firefox thread) - dedicated to RichardM

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by s1lv3r

on what planet?

You get faster execution if code is efficient, the smaller the better.

If you can pre-load your executable in memory before someone uses it, then it can artificially shorten load times yet still be a big slug of an application (*cough* acrobat reader *cough*)

(*cough*Nutscrape Navigator*cough*)

[nffc]

Originally Posted by Chris T

Oh goody, another FF v IE flame war.

Hardly. I use firefox, mainly because of its speed, but also because it's still a minority browser. If as many used FF as do IE it would still be a target for exploits in as much as IE is now.

Netscape is bloated FF, Avant is skinned IE, and Opera has the annoying ads. There's no real IE alternative except FF, sadly.

Originally Posted by nffc

Avant is skinned IE

You havn't used it then have you?

Avant is the fastest browser ever made, it's download is 1.3MB, it has an pop-up blocker, ad-blocker, built-in search bar, tabbed browsing, plugin support, theme support, and many others that I can't think off the top of my head.

[philip.j.fry]

Originally Posted by s1lv3r

on what planet?

You get faster execution if code is efficient, the smaller the better.

If you can pre-load your executable in memory before someone uses it, then it can artificially shorten load times yet still be a big slug of an application (*cough* acrobat reader *cough*)

Try a gcc -O3 optimisation, the code you get executes faster but with a larger executable (although O3 often causes the program to crash). Obviously uneeded code (code bloat) is going to slow down an application, but other tweaks can have the opposite effect which is why I said can mean faster execution. As an example, one of the GCC optimisations is to 'unroll loops', what this does is, if any while/for loops in your application can have their iterations determined at compile time the loops is removed and replaced with a sequential set of instructions. This results in slightly faster execution as the overhead of loop checking is removed, though the code compiled code is larger than it otherwise would have been (think about the difference that that can make in large applications). Of course, having larger programs resident in memory can result in slowdown, which all goes to show that program performance is far more complex than just looking at memory usage can show.

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Edit: GCC is a compiler

[nffc]

Originally Posted by Electrolyte

You havn't used it then have you?

Avant is the fastest browser ever made, it's download is 1.3MB, it has an pop-up blocker, ad-blocker, built-in search bar, tabbed browsing, plugin support, theme support, and many others that I can't think off the top of my head.

Nothing that can't be done by adding extra bolt-ons to IE then?

Originally Posted by nffc

Nothing that can't be done by adding extra bolt-ons to IE then?

So what if it runs off IE? I have no problem with IE, just that it lacks the support of saving websites that I lasted visited when I close the browser.

[Richard M]

Originally Posted by bmxbandit

not fact. go into windows explorer (without ie running) and go to google by typing it in the address bar. on my system, explorer only grabs another 4 meg or ram...

Actually what you're running there is IE - that's how deeply it's embedded into the OS.
And while I'm at it, I'll mention that Windows Help, Outlook, Outlook Express and numerous other apps use IE for rendering content.
Right click any Windows Help page and you'll see an IE dialog popup.

Originally Posted by Electrolyte

You havn't used it then have you?

Avant is the fastest browser ever made, it's download is 1.3MB, it has an pop-up blocker, ad-blocker, built-in search bar, tabbed browsing, plugin support, theme support, and many others that I can't think off the top of my head.

Avant, which is a modification of the IE GUI, is 1.3MB and it's not a browser in it's own right.
It has the same speed, security issues and memory leaks that IE has, because it is IE.
You obviously don't know enough about browser technology to provide a worthwhile contribution so I suggest you stay out of it.

[bmxbandit]

Originally Posted by Richard M

Actually what you're running there is IE - that's how deeply it's embedded into the OS.

mmhmm, thats kinda what i was getting at (but managed not to explain very well...)

[philip.j.fry]

Originally Posted by Richard M

Actually what you're running there is IE - that's how deeply it's embedded into the OS.
And while I'm at it, I'll mention that Windows Help, Outlook, Outlook Express and numerous other apps use IE for rendering content.
Right click any Windows Help page and you'll see an IE dialog popup.

Well code reuse is a good programming practice

[bmxbandit]

Originally Posted by philip.j.fry

Well code reuse is a good programming practice

...assuming it's good code

Originally Posted by Richard M

You obviously don't know enough about browser technology to provide a worthwhile contribution so I suggest you stay out of it.

You obviously don't understand that some security risks have been fixed in Avant. Such as SpyWare, I get 0 SpyWare from Avant

[Neil]

Play nicely now people, you all know that Netscape Navigator 0wnz a11 j00r b453

Originally Posted by Neil

you all know that Netscape Navigator 0wnz a11 j00r b453

How did I see that coming!

[Stuart]

I thought 1337 speak was only used by AOL lamers?

[Bifta]

Originally Posted by Richard M

You obviously don't know enough about browser technology to provide a worthwhile contribution so I suggest you stay out of it.

That's most uncalled for, especially from an admin