Sword Man shot dead...

22-03-2005, 14:05

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/humber/4371071.stm

What is wrong with the world today?

Dave Stones · 22-03-2005, 14:06

ah, so he had a sword... i saw this on sky news earlier on, before they released any details. it just said then that they shot a man with baton rounds and then a bullet...

makes you wonder who is letting these people out of the asylums...

bopdude · 22-03-2005, 14:43

Interesting read, why were armed police despatched just because someone was driving the wrong way ?? Is this the norm or were they tipped off / knew the man had a weapon ? It also says the investigation into the shooting would establish IF the man was carrying the sword IF ??
Surely the armed police would have spotted it, something's not right here IMO that is, me thinks there's more to this story.

ish, the other night on the way back from work in the wee small hours, we stopped at a kebab shop in a rough area of Leeds, we were on the way out of the shop when a guy who had been in 5 minutes earlier came back in with a 3 foot samurai sword,

what did we do, got in the van a drove off, wadda ya think

marky · 22-03-2005, 14:56

Maybe the guy was on his way to a fancy dress party and got lost. so no more speeding for me ive got children to care for

me283 · 22-03-2005, 15:53

These stories make me wonder how the police should handle situations like this. I believe that, judging by the sketchy details, they did the right thing; but some liberal-minded people will always appear and claim they have overreacted. It does sound a bit odd though... anyone know any more details?

Stuart · 22-03-2005, 16:12

Actually, I'm a normally liberally minded person, but I think that if, as reported, the Police even had a suspicion of weapons at the scene, then they SHOULD have sent armed officers in.

me283 · 22-03-2005, 16:17

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Originally Posted by scastle

Actually, I'm a normally liberally minded person, but I think that if, as reported, the Police even had a suspicion of weapons at the scene, then they SHOULD have sent armed officers in.

Don't worry, it wasn't a dig at anyone in particular! I have no problem with liberals, they tend to balance out some more extreme views. But I agree, although there is always someone that claims the action was too severe. I would rather thay did send in armed police; looked what happened with the axeman in London.

bopdude · 22-03-2005, 16:24

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Originally Posted by scastle

Actually, I'm a normally liberally minded person, but I think that if, as reported, the Police even had a suspicion of weapons at the scene, then they SHOULD have sent armed officers in.

Now thats what I'm on about, there wasn't a scene, atfirst it was a report of a vehicle driving the wrong way, if you read the report again like I have it doesn't ring true, not in my view anyway. It might be just be me though

gazzae · 22-03-2005, 16:29

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Originally Posted by bopdude

Now thats what I'm on about, there wasn't a scene, atfirst it was a report of a vehicle driving the wrong way, if you read the report again like I have it doesn't ring true, not in my view anyway. It might be just be me though

You never know, it could be that someone saw him earlier with a weapon, or maybe he's been having problems and his family might have reported that he went out with a sword.

bopdude · 22-03-2005, 16:31

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Originally Posted by gazzae

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Originally Posted by bopdude

Now thats what I'm on about, there wasn't a scene, atfirst it was a report of a vehicle driving the wrong way, if you read the report again like I have it doesn't ring true, not in my view anyway. It might be just be me though

You never know, it could be that someone saw him earlier with a weapon, or maybe he's been having problems and his family might have reported that he went out with a sword.

Thats what I mean, as per my post #3 in this thread, I think there's more to this story than they're letting on.

Ramrod · 22-03-2005, 16:31

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Originally Posted by markymoan

Maybe the guy was on his way to a fancy dress party and got lost. so no more speeding for me ive got children to care for

I sometimes carry a semi-live 3 foot sword to and from tai-chi (though I tend not to go to the chip shop with it

........got a nice bag for my swords now

gazzae · 22-03-2005, 16:34

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Originally Posted by bopdude

Thats what I mean, as per my post #3 in this thread, I think there's more to this story than they're letting on.

Maybe the armed officers were the only free police unit.
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Originally Posted by Ramrod

I sometimes carry a semi-live 3 foot sword to and from tai-chi (though I tend not to go to the chip shop with it

........got a nice bag for my swords now

You would imagine you would drop it if you were warned by police though! Or at least when a plastic bullet hit you.

Matthew · 22-03-2005, 17:44

Humberside Police were not saying anything this morning on the radio but I know people who got delayed by this coming over the Bridge this morning.

Does anyone know what it was about yet?

22-03-2005, 18:04

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Originally Posted by leggom

Humberside Police were not saying anything this morning on the radio but I know people who got delayed by this coming over the Bridge this morning.

Does anyone know what it was about yet?

only what has been on the news, it must have caused chaos on the roads, though, as the A63 is the only west/east road into/out of Hull & the main route between the Humber Bridge & the City. Normally it carries a very large volume of traffic...

22-03-2005, 19:49

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Originally Posted by Tuftus

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/humber/4371071.stm

What is wrong with the world today?

What a strange tale.
No reasons given for the armed police. Failed to stop a man with baton rounds? Must have missed him then.

I still think it rich that if you or I were to use deadly force, we'd be expected to show imminent danger to ourselves. A man approaching a bunch of armed coppers with a sword is not quite the same as if he came after me on a dark night.

I'm not convinced that the police always have to follow their 'shoot to kill' policy in these circumstances - seems like they don't use police dogs for what they are trained any more. And I would have thought that this situation was ideal for the use of a taser.

Having actually killed the guy, he's no longer in any position to explain his actions, so we'll probably never be any the wiser what drives these people, since 'suicide by cop' seems to be very effective.