School bans pupil for hairstyle

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Heck at my school they suspended a girl because her skirt was on the knee and not below it!
Her parents couldn't afford to buy new ones.

That makes me want to cry
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Originally Posted by goblin

But let's face it. It's hardly comparable, you are hardly going to be removed from school, due to you not having a foreskin are you.

But you probably will if you show everyone that you have/haven't got one

[ZrByte]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

But you probably will if you show everyone that you have/haven't got one

lol, thats worth a rep

[goblin]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

That makes me want to cry
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But you probably will if you show everyone that you have/haven't got one

Very true and rightly so IMO

[NitroNutter]

Originally Posted by Damien

it is in the media, thats how we know. And belive it or not there is racism going unpunished on all sides. Not just one

Agreed, but for one point how many against white discrimination cases have there been in UK compared to other cases of racial, religous or other cultural discrimination ?

Personally I know of none ever gone anywhere further than increasing resentment because of precisely this negative discrimination.

If the shoe was on the other foot and this country turned to an alternative foriegn rule and culture, there imo still would not be any such thing as racism against whites, yet it is a big problem allready.
ie Britain became a muslim state you would wear what you were authorised to wear and obey many other laws , regardless of race color or cultural background.

[Scarlett]

Personally, I think that all school govenors are little hitlers when it comes to deciding uniform policy. When I was in sixth form, the govenors decided that they wanted to change the dress code because they said that they had had reports that sixthformers we looking scruffy and letting the image of the school down (although no examples of when / where were ever provided).

They arrange a meeting with the sixth form council to discuss it and then didin't turn up! 2 days later they issuesd a new dress code which stoped the boys from wearing shorts (we'd only been allowed tailor'd shorts in any case) and a number of other restrictions...

When the complaints were made they just refused to listen to any argument...

The problem here is that the rule they've made is vauge at best so the Head is trying to interprit this as best as possible (not very well in fact) its now got to the point that ego's are on the line.

[xcdtowg]

School seem to be more obsessed about uniform than education, my own school uniform used to cost £190, and teenagers grow...a lot! My family were not well off at all, and i remember many an occasion i was sent to the headmaster over uniform issues. We had 2 PE kits, one white, one red, if you wore the wrong one, you were given a black mark, three blacks marks and suspended? Whats that all about?
You also had to wear a knee length pleated skirt, which are actually very hard to find for a teenagers , unless less you want to fork out £50, so i wore a straight skirt and everyday i was down to the headmasters office, luckily he was lovely and wasn't into all this uniform rubbish and used to just ask me how celtic were doing i the league.
As for hair though they weren't to fussed, as long as you had your blazer on! That blazer i happily burnt when i left There were many rules just for the blazer, don't take it off was the main one, if your wearing a coat outside, your blazer must be on underneath,, if you havnt got a coat big enough for a huge sholderpadded blazer underneath than you dont get to wear a coat???
I know more schools athat were even more strict and expensive, Plonking used to go to a school and everyone had to wear a suit, even at sixth form, very expensive!

EDIT- i remember somethign else really stupid, girls had to wear skirts april to mid november, and trousers november to march, its bloody cold in september, esp. in a stupid skirt!!

[smicer07]

When I was in Year 10, about 10 years ago, a girl was suspended for having braids, so it's nothing new.

[Lew]

I wonder if this school would also suspend a black pupil who had their hair straightenedâââ€à …¡Ã‚¬Ã‚¦

[aliferste]

Originally Posted by Lew

I wonder if this school would also suspend a black pupil who had their hair straightenedâââ€à …¡Ã‚¬Ã‚¦

It is not that simple!

[Flubflow]

Personally I think all governers and heads are perverts. They just have a school uniform fetish.

Originally Posted by NitroNutter

Agreed, but for one point how many against white discrimination cases have there been in UK compared to other cases of racial, religous or other cultural discrimination ?

Personally I know of none ever gone anywhere further than increasing resentment because of precisely this negative discrimination.

If the shoe was on the other foot and this country turned to an alternative foriegn rule and culture, there imo still would not be any such thing as racism against whites, yet it is a big problem allready.
ie Britain became a muslim state you would wear what you were authorised to wear and obey many other laws , regardless of race color or cultural background.

I agree, If this was a Muslim state the only other countries that do have Islam as their main religion often do have restrictions of peoples rights but that is more to do with their governments and not so much to do with a individual Muslims beliefs. But we are not going to become a Muslim state and one of the strengths of our country is that we are meant to be accepting of other cultures.

The point I was trying to make is that we do not know anything about racism between black and whites. In fact, even on this forum the only 'facts' are based on stories people have heard or experiences they have had. That is not fact and does not show the state of an entire nation. So unless anyone has some actual hard facts about this issue I suggest that it does not come up again.

As for the girl, we donââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t know the whole story. The only side of the story we seem to be getting is hers, for all we know she may have a history of causing trouble and is trying to play the victim. The family are very quick to try and turn this into an issue. They are claiming discrimination, refusing to fix the hair and are trying to get money out of the issue. Actions that make me question the true intent of the 'victim'. Is the real reason they didnââ‚ ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t fix her hair more to do with the publicity and the money than it is to do with any moral principle? Finally, this is a whole lot of nothing. The fact that the media has chosen to follow this story is because it is a unique story; if this was happening up and down the country then they wouldnââ‚Ã⠀šÃ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t have given her the publicity.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by aliferste

It just seems like sheer bloody-mindedness to me. They know that other religions and cultures wear their hair in certain ways and it just seems to be that they want to cause a scene saying that black people get to do this and black people get to do that.

How about if she said she was trying to adopt 'black' culture by wearing her hair like that?

Originally Posted by aliferste

Let me ask you....who looks better ?????

Seeing as you're comparing an (apparent) adult to a child, forgive me if I don't answer that question.

[Horace]

When I was at school, the teachers were in charge and we did as we were told regardless of fairness.We went to get educated and knew to cause as few probems as possible else we'd have a sore backside.That was during the punk era, there were pupils with dyed hair but as long as it didn't look too outrageous and you did your work, behaved yourself and wore the correct uniform there wasn't much of a problem.

[mrlipring]

Originally Posted by aliferste

Exactly.


It just seems like sheer bloody-mindedness to me. They know that other religions and cultures wear their hair in certain ways and it just seems to be that they want to cause a scene saying that black people get to do this and black people get to do that.

Jewish people get circumcised... why are people not queuing up to get that done eh?


Who cares? take the damn braides out and get her back to school!!!

Lots of non-jewish guys are circumcised.

People like you are the problem. Why on earth shouldn't she have her hair the way she wants it? It's doing no hard to anyone else, it's her hair, and that should be the end of it. She should be able to have it blue and spiked up, or shaved off, if that's what she wants. She's there to learn, not to be told what she can and can't look like. Schools shouldn't be able to dictate what kids look like in any way, hairstyle, uniform, the lot. If a kid turns up on time, behaves and does their work, that should be the end of it. Having silly hair doesn't make you bad at maths, wearing jeans doesn't make you bad at physics, so why dictate to children what they can and can't wear?

When they're older and get jobs, the chances are they'll be told what to wear, etc, so why not let them be kids just now, while they've got the chance?

I got hassle every day for years at school, because i refused to wear uniform, and i had a silly hairdo or two, and i had piercings, but i dug my heels in, and all that happened was that i missed 15 minutes of class each morning while i got lectured by the head, and that was the end of it. I did what i wanted with MY appearance. I wouldn't have had self-respect if i'd let someone else dictate to me what i could wear FOR NO GOOD REASON.

They gave me the usual crap about school identity etc, but what about the kids who are out shoplifting and generally being a nuisance? They want THEM to be identified with the school? What if *I* don't want to be identified with the school? Where i came from, there was a lot of tension between our school and a few others.

Bottom line is, if it's not affecting her work, or anyone else's, she should have her hair however she likes it. Here's hoping she doesn't back down.

Originally Posted by Damien

As for the girl, we donââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t know the whole story. The only side of the story we seem to be getting is hers, for all we know she may have a history of causing trouble and is trying to play the victim. The family are very quick to try and turn this into an issue. They are claiming discrimination, refusing to fix the hair and are trying to get money out of the issue. Actions that make me question the true intent of the 'victim'. Is the real reason they didnââ‚ ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t fix her hair more to do with the publicity and the money than it is to do with any moral principle? Finally, this is a whole lot of nothing. The fact that the media has chosen to follow this story is because it is a unique story; if this was happening up and down the country then they wouldnââ‚Ã⠀šÃ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t have given her the publicity.

What does having a certain haircut have to do with her being a troublemaker or not? If she's been thrown out of school for misbehaviour, then fair enough, but if it's to do with her haircut, which according to the report it is, then it's wrong, it's discrimination, and it's disgusting.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by mrlipring

Lots of non-jewish guys are circumcised.