The Budget

[ntluser]

Originally Posted by NitroNutter

Todays conservative argument is so self contradictive you have to laugh

We will cut 35bn in wasted funds cutting services
We will spend as much as labour and more on services

their catchphrase for the budget "Vote now pay later"
meaning Tory could only increase taxes on what labour did yesterday
Today they will cut spending on waste increase spending on services theyve just cut and decrease taxes so everyone is better off
And just how does that add up ?

35bn negative (saved)
More than 35bn positive (spent)
lower taxess == what

I would have to asume they could only finance this by increased borrowing
Both parties live in a banana state of mind anyway. I dont see anything really different in lib-dems either.

The point that Michael Howard is making is that there is so much waste in frontline services it's possible to eliminate the waste and still preserve the service.

What New Labour have done is to borrow excessively to preserve their spending lifestyle in the same way that credit card junkies have lots of credit cards so that they can enjoy a great lifestyle by paying off their cards with payments from other cards. Eventually, however,they do end up with problems.

To illustrate the point, I wanted to buy a new camcorder and had a specific model in mind the Sony PC120-E. I surfed the net and found that it was possible at one place to buy it for £1200 but somewhere else I could buy exactly the same camera for £800. The £1200 represents the New Labour philosophy of investing more funds but the £800 represents Conservative's value for money at a cheaper cost philosophy.The specifications on the camera represent the service being provided which is the same in both cases except that New Labour's camera cost £400 more.

It's probably true that whoever gets in, taxes will go up, but the revenue raised will be spent more wisely by the Conservatives ( or indeed by the Lib Dems) that it will be by New Labour, which was millions on the Millenium Dome and wasted Lottery money.

[NitroNutter]

Originally Posted by ntluser

The point that Michael Howard is making is that there is so much waste in frontline services it's possible to eliminate the waste and still preserve the service.

What New Labour have done is to borrow excessively to preserve their spending lifestyle in the same way that credit card junkies have lots of credit cards so that they can enjoy a great lifestyle by paying off their cards with payments from other cards. Eventually, however,they do end up with problems.

To illustrate the point, I wanted to buy a new camcorder and had a specific model in mind the Sony PC120-E. I surfed the net and found that it was possible at one place to buy it for £1200 but somewhere else I could buy exactly the same camera for £800. The £1200 represents the New Labour philosophy of investing more funds but the £800 represents Conservative's value for money at a cheaper cost philosophy.The specifications on the camera represent the service being provided which is the same in both cases except that New Labour's camera cost £400 more.

It's probably true that whoever gets in, taxes will go up, but the revenue raised will be spent more wisely by the Conservatives ( or indeed by the Lib Dems) that it will be by New Labour, which was millions on the Millenium Dome and wasted Lottery money.

Ah but our Mr Howard has said theres only 35bn wasted which he would recover, then he plans to decrease taxes while spending more than 35bn back into public services. that in noones book can add up, to anything other than increased borrowing.
You cannot spend 500£ on something else because you saved 400£ on a £800 camera that was going to cost 1200£ without increasing your borrowing further, and to boot he says he can and while doing it he would achieve it taking a pay drop from the country with less taxes. The guy makes no sense what so ever and if he plans on winning a country over with such foolish statements he has about as much chance of building millenium dome #2.

In my book their bs promises are written on paper not fit to wipe any persons ass with, they will say anything to try and get their way and when questioned they will all avoid a direct answer allways. This has been proved time and time again no matter who is in office.

[ntluser]

Originally Posted by NitroNutter

Ah but our Mr Howard has said theres only 35bn wasted which he would recover, then he plans to decrease taxes while spending more than 35bn back into public services. that in noones book can add up, to anything other than increased borrowing.
You cannot spend 500£ on something else because you saved 400£ on a £800 camera that was going to cost 1200£ without increasing your borrowing further, and to boot he says he can and while doing it he would achieve it taking a pay drop from the country with less taxes. The guy makes no sense what so ever and if he plans on winning a country over with such foolish statements he has about as much chance of building millenium dome #2.

In my book their bs promises are written on paper not fit to wipe any persons ass with, they will say anything to try and get their way and when questioned they will all avoid a direct answer allways. This has been proved time and time again no matter who is in office.

There is some truth in what you say about the unreliability of politicians and governments. The last Conservative government under Major was one of the worse for sleaze. If anything it was probably one of the main reasons they were voted out as day after day there were new revelations and scandals.

It should have been an object lesson to New Labour on how not to run a government. Instead New Labour took the Conservative sleaze and turned it into an art form, paying large salaries and pensions to lots of people who didn't deserve them at the expense of the taxpayer.

Maybe it is time to give the Lib-Dems a chance as they are the only party whuich hasn't had a chance to cock things up.