The Youth of Today... - Page 3

allieyoung666 · 13-03-2005, 18:43

We do and then we accused of baiting them dont we!!!!! If somebody does not sort these kids out now, god help our future!!!!

me283 · 13-03-2005, 18:49

I recall a few years back there was a massive hooha in the news about a young American lad on an island (the Philippines I think) who had got bored and gone on the rampage, doing a bit of vandalism etc. The problem was, he got caught and found guilty. It was a problem because the punishment handed out by the court involved him being beaten with a bamboo cane.

Now, there were appeals etc, and the US government got involved, calling it barbaric. But as the government of the island in question pointed out, their crim levels were about zero... so who gets it right? The liberal society with a crime problem, or the harsh, brutal society that deals with crime effetively?

AndrewJ · 13-03-2005, 18:52

I agree, we are totally on the wrong path, but with all these rights the crooks have they will re-offend till the heavens sing songs of the night and wear a pink tutu.

The law as it stands now for what we can do to criminals is about as useful as used toilet paper.

allieyoung666 · 13-03-2005, 18:58

I do agree with you something has to be done sooner or later or we are going to be in one sorry big mess with no way out!

AndrewJ · 13-03-2005, 19:07

I can see corperal punishment being brought back in for repeat offenders although not the best, it does seem to work.

Perhaps we should look to other countries methods and see what works best?

punky · 13-03-2005, 19:09

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Originally Posted by AndrewJames

I can see corperal punishment being brought back in for repeat offenders although not the best, it does seem to work.

I can't see that happening. They only just banned it in 1998 for independent schools (mid 80s for state schools). Even in all those years I don't think independent schools ever did it.

It would probably violate a shed load of EU human rights laws anyway.

AndrewJ · 13-03-2005, 19:11

That is the issue laws rights etc, this is what is driving society and local areas into a depression of gang hoods and youths running the area, cops cannot do anything because of new rules and rights. Courts cant do anything because of rules and rights.. they even tell you now not to bother replying as they will not be able to do anything.

JUST what can we do to make these youths understand how to behave??

**Maggy** · 13-03-2005, 20:09

It is not hard to control children.It's being bothered to do so that's the problem for some.For a few parents it just interferes with their own pleasures to do so.

I think that getting firmer with parents is the best way to go.Make them take responsibility for their children.Everyone thought it was terrible when that mother in Scotland was jailed because her daughter wasn't attending school.The child did start to go back to school though...I think that if parents won't take responsibilty both in the streets and at school they should be heavily fined and made to go on a parenting skills course.Also a curfew both for such parents and their offspring might be an idea as well.

I also think we might have to rethink the age of responsibility if this downward trend continues.

However having said all that I think that the actual number of cases is still small considering the number of our children that still are behaving and are not any kind of problem.

AndrewJ · 13-03-2005, 20:12

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Originally Posted by Incognitas

It is not hard to control children.It's being bothered to do so that's the problem for some.For a few parents it just interferes with their own pleasures to do so.

I think that getting firmer with parents is the best way to go.Make them take responsibility for their children.Everyone thought it was terrible when that mother in Scotland was jailed because her daughter wasn't attending school.The child did start to go back to school though...I think that if parents won't take responsibilty both in the streets and at school they should be heavily fined and made to go on a parenting skills course.Also a curfew both for such parents and their offspring might be an idea as well.

I also think we might have to rethink the age of responsibility if this downward trend continues.

However having said all that I think that the actual number of cases is still small considering the number of our children that still are behaving and are not any kind of problem.

Agreed

allieyoung666 · 13-03-2005, 20:14

I do agree with you there, a lot of these children have been excluded from education or just like going to cause upset and a disturbance to society. So they try to attract attention by doing these crimes, but when they have done them, they do not have any idea of what they have done or they switch off pretending they havent done the crime, they just think it is like the movies or TV and it isnt.

14-03-2005, 12:21

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Originally Posted by AndrewJames

I can see corperal punishment being brought back in for repeat offenders although not the best, it does seem to work.

I got the cane when I was at senior school, as did several of my friends. It was the easiest punishment I ever had to deal with, a few thwacks over the palm of the hand at it was all over, took about 5 minutes tops during the school day. Compare that to an hour long detention which takes place in *my* time. I hear all this talk that corporal punishment should be brought back, but if I were given a choice between an hour's detention and the cane then I'd pick the cane every time as the easy option.

14-03-2005, 17:55

The old saying '' Spare the rod and spoil the child '' comes to mind with the low-life pond **** that seems to make up a large proportion of todays youth.

IMHO, parents should be allowed to chastise their children when they are disobedient. Schools should be allowed the same option as well, but in my opinion so should the law. Can you immagine the drop in crime if burglers, shoplifters, twockers etc got a dozen lashes of the ''Cat''. Society also needs to stop making jail a soft option for criminals, all of them should be doing ''hard labour'' inside. No need to make them do anything useful, just have them move a pile of big rocks from one place to another 8 - 12 hours a day. See how qiuckly reoffend rates drop then. As for National Service? Round up all the lazy, useless chav ****, train them not to shoot themselves and each other then rent them out as a meat shield to the UN. At that point its shape up or have some illiterate guerilla in Africa cut your head off. S**t, the little scrotes might even learn some self respect at the same time.

14-03-2005, 18:14

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Originally Posted by Earl of Bronze

The old saying '' Spare the rod and spoil the child '' comes to mind with the low-life pond **** that seems to make up a large proportion of todays youth.

IMHO, parents should be allowed to chastise their children when they are disobedient. Schools should be allowed the same option as well, but in my opinion so should the law. Can you immagine the drop in crime if burglers, shoplifters, twockers etc got a dozen lashes of the ''Cat''. Society also needs to stop making jail a soft option for criminals, all of them should be doing ''hard labour'' inside. No need to make them do anything useful, just have them move a pile of big rocks from one place to another 8 - 12 hours a day. See how qiuckly reoffend rates drop then. As for National Service? Round up all the lazy, useless chav ****, train them not to shoot themselves and each other then rent them out as a meat shield to the UN. At that point its shape up or have some illiterate guerilla in Africa cut your head off. S**t, the little scrotes might even learn some self respect at the same time.

allieyoung666 · 14-03-2005, 18:44

You would still get the self righteous brigade going you carnt do or say that!!!!

14-03-2005, 19:08

We need to remember that the only good news of the media in the UK is bad news, good news doesn't sell newspapers or make TV documentaries.

We need to try and keep a sense of proportion. I believe the majority of youth and do we mean teenagers, are generally ok, we only read or view the antics of the relatively few. It's very easy to think that the current generation of teenagers is worse than our own were but take a look and think.

I'm sure there are teenagers, many of them who do in fact lead decent lives. It's just that they don't make the headlines, they are not newsworthy enough, so let's be careful and not allow the troublesome few spoil the image of a generation.