The Youth of Today... - Page 2

allieyoung666 · 13-03-2005, 16:23

Unfortunatley I blame the goggle box. I mean have you seen some of those kids cartoons, christ they actually incite bullying take the cramp twins. i watched that and I thought no wonder society is screwed up today. If I had the option I would not have TV. It is getting really silly, I had to look after this kid on a kids ward who beat up and then sexually assaulted his mum, all because she said no. I wanted to really give that kid a good battering. Bring back the cane and the rounders bat!!!!!!

Escapee · 13-03-2005, 16:40

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Originally Posted by punky

That is exactly right. My dad used to be a copper and what seemed like a big part of his duty was picking up 12 year olds drinking and hurling abuse at people. He'd take them home (not worth prosecuting), and get a load of abuse from the 'parent' (term used very loosely). No "I am sorry officer, it won't happen again", or "Thank you for bringing him home", but my dad would get abuse hurled at him for doing it. Thats a world away from what used to happen.

I don't think though that the problem is specific ethnicity, races, or other ara of society (low income say) as it seems to fairly consistantly getting bad across the board. I am sorry to say this, if you have young children yourself, but when I was a kid, they were bad... I certainly wouldn't like to be a kid in my era again, but nowadays, they are absolutely diabolical. It is getting so bad now I am glad that part of my life is over, but how can you ignore kids as an adult?

I think you are 100% right, there is no stereotype for bad kids these days.

Some of the little ******* causing criminal damage around here come from families that could not be described as poor, the worst one in my parents area is the grandson of the community council who heads up the neighbourhood watch! It always used to be the excuse that they came from a low income family, one parent family etc... Anything basically to excuse their actions, these days the problem is so widespread it affects all walks of life.

AndrewJ · 13-03-2005, 17:52

You do the crime they should do the time, excuse or not.

They get away with murder nearly these days. The courts are too soft, if the parents wont teach them a lesson then perhaps the courts ought to themselves with tougher penalties.

allieyoung666 · 13-03-2005, 17:58

I have always said, what they have done to the victims it should be done to them and then lets see how much they enjoy it not!!!!! Have you always noticed though when they are on the telly they stick up for what little Johnny has done!!!!! Come on parents stop seeing your kids through rose colored glasses!!!!!! I remeber once we got our car kicked when were travelling through a not very respectable area of norton. The police told us not to press charges or the kid would come to our house and smash all our windows in and the family would join in for fun as well!!!!! this kid was about 12 at the time. So thank you very much Cleveland Police for all your help not!!!!!

maxtoralias · 13-03-2005, 18:01

IMO kids have very limited role models to look up to. There is no parental guidance at home and no-one willing to say no as a means to curtail poor behaviour. Even so-called sports personalities who the kids look up to display a child-like petulence when their own behaviour on the field is brought into question.

I do beleive that behaviour has got worse but that is not just the domain of the kids - adults display far more intolerance, are more impatient when driving and some adopt the 'get out of my way' attitude far too quickly. Is it not any wonder why some kids behave in the way they do?

AndrewJ · 13-03-2005, 18:04

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Originally Posted by allieyoung666

I have always said, what they have done to the victims it should be done to them and then lets see how much they enjoy it not!!!!! Have you always noticed though when they are on the telly they stick up for what little Johnny has done!!!!! Come on parents stop seeing your kids through rose colored glasses!!!!!! I remeber once we got our car kicked when were travelling through a not very respectable area of norton. The police told us not to press charges or the kid would come to our house and smash all our windows in and the family would join in for fun as well!!!!! this kid was about 12 at the time. So thank you very much Cleveland Police for all your help not!!!!!

Well if we did what they did to someone and did it back to them, would we then not be as any better as they are themselves??

We need to wisen up and move on, not stoop to there leve.

Most parents have out of control children this is regularly known, and as for the police they are under powered to deal with this situation this is a issue which needs to be put to a local MP, and through the goverments.

allieyoung666 · 13-03-2005, 18:05

I cannot belive though that even the police are scarred of kids now, we have those community wardens and they are even scarred of the kids. Kids nowadays have nobody to look up to lets face it!!! My 2 sons even have an attitude at 7&8. So what chance have I got when they are teenagers

me283 · 13-03-2005, 18:13

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Originally Posted by Paul M

and it will continue until proper punishments are once again allowed, instead of pampering to their "rights".

I agree 110%. Kids get away with things, BECAUSE they can get away with things. As a child, my parents were a huge influence on me, as they should be. It was made plain to me from an early age to be polite, respectful, and honest. If I took a chance and did anything outside of that, I risked getting belted! One tended not to do the same bad thing more than once. Nowadays it seems that kids can't even be slapped, so what's the incentive for them to keep on the straight and narrow.

AndrewJ · 13-03-2005, 18:14

None this is where we need a punishment which works, but yet means we do not stoop to there level, I kinda like the brat camp one, we have seen on televison a few times, where they pack them up, ship them out into Army camps and make them wisen up, sure you got your morons who storm out and cant be changed. But for the majority who was only a moron because there big mate Steve etc was one, then it works.

For those who commit the major crimes like murder, robbery etc, I would see that 8years jail was 8 years jail not 2month parole and released in 1year, after being in a cell with a telelvison and cd player, and a nice life style.

Its too easy for kids today to get away with this stuff, that is where I think now we are going wrong.

allieyoung666 · 13-03-2005, 18:18

I do not think something like that would work over here, because you could see the kid going to the court of human rights saying that their rights have been breached!!!!! I have been in side one of the youth prisions, they have a better life in there than what they do in society, so the easiest way is to commit loads of crime and go back in. I have even had one of these kids admit this to me. And I have got to say this, I do blame the Chav culture as this is where some of them end up!

AndrewJ · 13-03-2005, 18:24

You hitting onto one of my points there, that we have these cushy jails for these offenders, who know this and just commit crime because it does pay. Now a shocker would be for them to find a jail with no tellys no media perhaps a tinny crappy radio with 2 batterys per month each.

They need a shocker, not a beating, or being put in pain, something to make them realise they should change there ways. Or face a long time in a very boring and dull place.

allieyoung666 · 13-03-2005, 18:26

how about then, making them camp out in the middle of the north york moors in the middle of january, is that short sharp enough for you, why dont they just bring back national service!!! Like they have in Sweden that would sort the lot of them out

AndrewJ · 13-03-2005, 18:30

Because

1) making them camp in middle of January would likely end up with you in court with the pc brigade.

and

2) National service?? I see your point there but look at America they hit more friendlys then enemies and alot of there troops so I hear come from detention houses.

I would like a prision for the under 21's, with no tellys or anything fancy but the basics to keep the human rights people happy, where they have a single room to themselves with toilet only let out for meals.

BUT the change would be they would be trained in something, like electronics, computers, science, geography by a decent tutor, and if they was insubordinant, and aggressive etc this would then add to there sentence until they came out a reformed person with a qualification and a gentle hand to make sure they work and not commit again.

allieyoung666 · 13-03-2005, 18:37

You would still get the PC brigade barging in. Hang onthey aready do that at holme house prision near us, universities of Leeds and Durham both do long distance learing courses, but I do not see very many reformed people I am sorry to say. You have to take them from one enviroment which is causing them all the upset and move them to another where they cannot cause them harm or pain and they can start live again a fresh away from temptation. National service in this country is totally different from America, they have to do more rigorous training and it has more structure to the training.

AndrewJ · 13-03-2005, 18:42

If we dont tell the pc brigade to go and **** off somewhere else, then we will live in a crime ridden cess pit of a country.