*ALL* ntl Cap Discussion Here Please.

[scrotnig]

Originally Posted by Kevin

if i effed off thats about what i come to expect from ntl, i originally was sold an uncapped service allowing me to "download movies like spiderman" hehehe its brilliant this ntl, no one has a clue what they are doing..
yeah i can jump ship to ukonline without any probs but ill do that when im ready not when you say im ready...but thanks for the tip....
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Oh and btw 8mb is not uncapped, they unlike ntl thought about their caps and set em at 500gb a month...

Oh ntl did think about their caps, that's the whole point.

You, like so many others, are labouring under the misapprehension that the only criteria an ISP needs to consider, is what the customer thinks.

Whilst that would be nice, there are other factors, such as profitability, protecting the network, and a myriad of others.

Private companies are NOT here for the good of the customer, they are here to make a profit. You're naive if you think otherwise.

I am against caps in principle, however people like you who announce they will max their connection 'just because they can' are the PRECISE and EXACT reason such caps exist in the first place. Therefore you are your own worst enemy.

The vast majority of customers who never go near the limits set don't care about your hissy tantrum, they're just glad that ultimately people like you won't be able to ruin the service for others.

[DJ Flux]

Well it wont be long till NTL upgrade me from 1.5MB to 3MB. Even tho I have posted once before on here with my head in a panic, I have thought a little more about NTL's Capping sittuation.

I am still a bit concerned on this 1GB download per day limit, due to the fact my kids download these new game demo's which are around 500MB each, plus I download alot of materials too. I know there is many opinions from you all and I have read carefully to the many posts here, one thing I am curious about is Upgrade to a tier. Is there any further info on this from NTL, I know it's like a Buisness solution account. But if we had more info on this and the price structure with how much GB allowance comes with what ever there structure is...

My total bill with NTL throughout the 3 years I have been with them is always just under the £100 per month mark. Also one thing I disagree about A friend of mine has been upgraded but he did not know & when I said to him about NTL's free upgrade he had no clue and when he checked to see if he had been upgraded he got furious cause they did not imform him. I know upon reading posts here and reading info on ntl's site that it does say NTL will contact customers of there free upgrade.

I will still truly move from NTL if there information is not clear enough and that this Upgrade to a tier information is not available when they come to upgrade me.

[dirtydog]

Originally Posted by Rone

I never upload anything, i dont have much to upload maybe.
For me , you could totally cap the upload, but of course, some people actually use it.

You do use your upload bandwidth, you can't download anything, even a webpage, without uploading data.

[nostra]

Originally Posted by DJ Flux

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was your friend on the 750k / 1.5mb tier or 300k tier?

if 750 or 1.5 meg then there was always a usage allowance this is nothing new

however if 300k he should not have been upgraded without being informed

[Ignition]

Originally Posted by obvious

cost of bandwidth to an operation like BT is now about twenty-five cents a gig and dropping rapidly

Absolutely true, so long as your data magics itself to the edge of their network.

Absolutely untrue that BT Wholesale charge BT Retail 25c per GB across the BT network, which is where most of the cost is, moving several Mbps of data from an exchange with next to no demand for bandwidth previously in the middle of nowhere to a BT POP.

Check BT documents under BT Central Plus for more information on the charging scheme BT Wholesale use on BT Retail.

HOWEVER BT Wholesale are ripping off the ISPs, as you'd expect being a monopoly in so many areas. At the same time their prices are held artificially high by the regulator, which is handy for competitors.

[Rone]

Originally Posted by dirtydog

You do use your upload bandwidth, you can't download anything, even a webpage, without uploading data.

I was waiting for someone to point that out.
Yep i realise that, i just meant files, photos, pron, linux files, the usual stuff.

[dirtydog]

Originally Posted by Rone

I was waiting for someone to point that out.
Yep i realise that, i just meant files, photos, pron, linux files, the usual stuff.

I thought you probably did realise it, I was just checking

[obvious]

Originally Posted by ian@huth

If you post cr@p expect to be corrected.

You are being abusive. Post reported pal.

The law is very pedantic.

You may think that you are the law BUT YOU'RE NOT. It is you who is pedantic for the sake of it.

If you can't win an argument, get abusive.

I wasn't abusive. I said that you had to be right. You on the other hand are abusive.

I like to respond to posts that appear to convey wrong information that other members may take as being gospel and could suffer the consequences.

Nothing wrong with my post. Yours however could do with a lot of work.

[dilli-theclaw]

Can we calm it down people. I know this is an emotive subject (for some). If we can't keep the discussion to the topic at hand without personal comments then a pruning will have to take place, and this is my first day so don't make me do it

[darkmage46]

ive been looking at this thread for a while now and i have to say that while im against any form of cap thats probably because id hardly ever get to the limits, that however is the case on 300k with a 1 gig a day limit, to go up to a 1meg connection with a 3gig a month cap seems rather a step backwards in the overall usability of the connection. This is very averaging math but it looks like a 4 fold speed increase with a 100 fold cap decrease. I understand that the cap is there to maintain the service for all users but the pricing/cap structure seems a bit skewed. What i have difficulty in seeing is that someone using less speed is going to cost more and therefore need a lower cap, after all the actual speed cost how much? i would have thought it was what was done with it e.g. downloading/uploading that actually cost money. I would be very interested to see how much a maxed out 300k or even 1 meg connection cost ntl in data throughput, I know someone is going to argue that the cost to ntl is in upgrading ubr's to cope with maxed out connections but surley ntl should have thought of that before making new speeds available.

[scrotnig]

Originally Posted by darkmage46

ive been looking at this thread for a while now and i have to say that while im against any form of cap thats probably because id hardly ever get to the limits, that however is the case on 300k with a 1 gig a day limit, to go up to a 1meg connection with a 3gig a month cap seems rather a step backwards in the overall usability of the connection. This is very averaging math but it looks like a 4 fold speed increase with a 100 fold cap decrease. I understand that the cap is there to maintain the service for all users but the pricing/cap structure seems a bit skewed. What i have difficulty in seeing is that someone using less speed is going to cost more and therefore need a lower cap, after all the actual speed cost how much? i would have thought it was what was done with it e.g. downloading/uploading that actually cost money. I would be very interested to see how much a maxed out 300k or even 1 meg connection cost ntl in data throughput, I know someone is going to argue that the cost to ntl is in upgrading ubr's to cope with maxed out connections but surley ntl should have thought of that before making new speeds available.

They did.

As I've said before, the number of customers for whom caps is an issue are a tiny, tiny minority of the customer base as a whole. ntl are not going to spend a fortune upgrading the network just to please this tiny few given that they aren't profitable anyway.

Any commercial company needs to look after the overwhelming majority of its customers, not a tiny few. Prices would have to go through the roof to facilitate such an upgrade, and then nobody would pay it.

People who want to download "30 Linux distros every day" will have to find a different ISP, it's that simple.

[darkmage46]

Sureley (can i call you Sureley?) ntl ar making the problem of people reaching the limit set by cap much greater with the 1m/3g per month limit though?

[punky]

Originally Posted by darkmage46

Sureley (can i call you Sureley?) ntl ar making the problem of people reaching the limit set by cap much greater with the 1m/3g per month limit though?

That is why they have a much higher cap on different tiers.

There are quite a lot of people that only do a bit of browsing and emailing... 3gig/month is fine for them.

[darkmage46]

thats fair enough , people who want to download that amount obviousley take there hobby very seriousley and ought to think very carefully about the service they need. At a personal level i shudder at the thought of a hard cap on the 1 meg service as it will be SO easy to go over very quickley
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i know i asked this a while back but does anybody have any info on the new business speeds, as in do they have a UL/DL limit? i looked on the ntl business website but the info is sparse

[punky]

Originally Posted by darkmage46

i know i asked this a while back but does anybody have any info on the new business speeds, as in do they have a UL/DL limit? i looked on the ntl business website but the info is sparse

As far as I know they don't but i'd get a second opinion.. Might have changed.