Only In America.....

Originally Posted by Seti

How on earth can anyone place a judgement on the head of this woman ? Ok her act may have been terrible and awful for the somewhat bemused father. But there are millions of women desperate for children who use turkey basters and all sorts of other methods to conceive.

I think he's a bit more than 'bemused'.
And I don't blame desperate women for trying any means at their disposal. Although many of these attempts usually are with the full knowledge and cooperation of the potential father.

In this case, however, the 'desperate' woman did not have the knowledge, cooperation or consent of the 'father'.

Maybe it would have been less of an issue had she not sued him for paternity and a slice of his income.

Originally Posted by Seti

I want children. I may not stoop to that level but try being a woman when your clock is ticking fast and see how you cope.

Sian

Fair enough. I'm sure that urge has primeval power I can only dream of.
Unfortunately, I wouldn't be able to assist you in that quest.

[danielf]

Originally Posted by Seti

How on earth can anyone place a judgement on the head of this woman ? Ok her act may have been terrible and awful for the somewhat bemused father. But there are millions of women desperate for children who use turkey basters and all sorts of other methods to conceive.

I want children. I may not stoop to that level but try being a woman when your clock is ticking fast and see how you cope.

Sian

Her impregnating herself with his sperm is one thing. The father may not be amused, and it would have been nice of her to ask, but personally I don't find it that big a deal. That she can then (after wilfully impregnating herself, when the bloke had no cause to assume he had impregnated her) turn around and sue the father for child support to the tune of $800 a month is beyond belief.

She actively took steps to get pregnant without him knowing, and now she expects him to pay for it. I sincerely hope he wins the case for psychological damage, and wins a great deal more than he has to pay in child support.

[punky]

Originally Posted by Seti

How on earth can anyone place a judgement on the head of this woman ? Ok her act may have been terrible and awful for the somewhat bemused father. But there are millions of women desperate for children who use turkey basters and all sorts of other methods to conceive.

I want children. I may not stoop to that level but try being a woman when your clock is ticking fast and see how you cope.

Sian

I'll re-iterate that despite the bad wording of that article, the method of fertilisation is under debate. If she did do what the article said, then:

She could have gone to a sperm bank. She was doctor so she should have known about them, and her considerable wage should be able to cover the charge. She could have adopted. There are so many kids given a near-life sentence in homes because there aren't enough suitable parents to adopt them. She could have gone into fostering, too. She could have joined the Big Brothers/Big Sisters Of America. She could have brought some real happiness to deserving kids, had she have been a reasonable person.

There was no excuse for her to ruin someone elses life because she wanted a baby. God knows what the kid is going to be like with her for a mother.

Originally Posted by danielf

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She actively took steps to get pregnant without him knowing, and now she expects him to pay for it. I sincerely hope he wins the case for psychological damage, and wins a great deal more than he has to pay in child support.

I don't see that he has to gain punitive damages against her to 'win'.

While I agree he will have been considerably upset by the whole matter, people seem to find it only to easy to suffer irreparable psychological damage when there is someone to sue.

[punky]

Originally Posted by ScaredWebWarrior

I don't see that he has to gain punitive damages against her to 'win'.

While I agree he will have been considerably upset by the whole matter, people seem to find it only to easy to suffer irreparable psychological damage when there is someone to sue.

I think that irreparable (or at the very least, long lasting) psychological damage is likely. If what is said that happened to him, happened to me, it would scar me for life against other relationships with women.

Even just reading it scares the hell out of me. When I was a lot younger, my own mother impressed on me, never under any circumstances trust a woman with a contraceptive issue. If I didn't want to kid, they I would have to take my own precautions, regardless of hers.

And this is coming from another woman!

If I was offered that kind of service like Phillips recieved, I would have felt secure she wouldn't have got pregnant, but now it seems, providing what is said is true, then you can't even have that service without worrying. Trouble is, not a lot you can do about it...

[ian@huth]

I suppose that there could be a run on turkey basters at the shops now with desperate women searching for warm used condoms.

Originally Posted by punky

<snip>If what is said that happened to him, happened to me, it would scar me for life against other relationships with women.

Even just reading it scares the hell out of me.<snip>

At your age I guess that's understandable - been there, done that. (T-shirt shrunk in the wash, so I used it to wipe oil off my hands fixing cars.)

I think the doctor in this case had the advantage of many more years life experience to offset against the distress.

All that said, I think your mother was a cool lady with sterling advice.

Lastly, if ever offered that 'service' ensure to enquire about spit vs. swallow

[danielf]

Originally Posted by ScaredWebWarrior

I don't see that he has to gain punitive damages against her to 'win'.

While I agree he will have been considerably upset by the whole matter, people seem to find it only to easy to suffer irreparable psychological damage when there is someone to sue.

But she sued him first . After she went through considerable effort getting pregnant without him knowing. (Keep the semen in your mouth, stick it in the freezer, and then get pregnant through artificial insemination) Don't you think she should take responsibility for her actions, rather than sue the father, and expect him to pay for her willful actions?

I think the whole psychological damage thing is a load of bull, but I wish the guy luck in winning it...

Originally Posted by danielf

<snip> Don't you think she should take responsibility for her actions, rather than sue the father, and expect him to pay for her willful actions?<snip>

Indeed I do. And I think her taking FULL (financial) responsibility for the child she bore would be taking full responsibility.

The 'father' did not have to sue her in return, but it's legally a manoeuvre to ensure that if she were to win the paternity suit the he'd have something to fight back with.
And the only ones who are really getting richer are the lawyers.

[punky]

Originally Posted by danielf

After she went through considerable effort getting pregnant without him knowing. (Keep the semen in your mouth, stick it in the freezer, and then get pregnant through artificial insemination)

I am suprised the little guys lasted that long. Some have enough trouble travelling 1' down the sperm duct and up into the fallopian tube. In perfect temperatures, pH, etc.

[danielf]

Originally Posted by ScaredWebWarrior

Indeed I do. And I think her taking FULL (financial) responsibility for the child she bore would be taking full responsibility.

The 'father' did not have to sue her in return, but it's legally a manoeuvre to ensure that if she were to win the paternity suit the he'd have something to fight back with.
And the only ones who are really getting richer are the lawyers.

Have you read the original post? She won the paternity suit, and the father was ordered to pay $800 a month. He's trying to get his money back...

[Marge]

I would like a baby sometime soon (so nobody can say they weren't warned )

Originally Posted by Debsy42

I would like a baby sometime soon (so nobody can say they weren't warned )

Run Scooby, run.....

[Marge]

Originally Posted by Earl of Bronze

Run Scooby, run.....

Why do you think he went to France

[Richard M]

Originally Posted by Debsy42

I would like a baby sometime soon (so nobody can say they weren't warned )

OK lads, form an orderly queue.