Muslims should expect to be stopped....

02-03-2005, 01:55

UK Muslims should accept that people of Islamic appearance are more likely to be stopped and searched by police, a Home Office minister has said.

Hazel Blears said innocent Muslims would be targeted because of the search for Islamic extremists.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4309961.stm

So, under the guise of "preventing terrorism" we now have more justification for institutionalised racism.

Because *some* terrorists are Muslims (or, rather, people of Islamic appearance!!) *all* Muslims must be treated as suspects...!!!

Another great day for liberty and justice in the UK

danielf · 02-03-2005, 01:59

Stop the world, I want to get off (preferably before this thread explodes)

02-03-2005, 01:59

NOt really all that different from the days of republican terrorism, and everyone with a Northern Irish accent being though of as a potential terrorist.

As thing, different face this time.

NitroNutter · 02-03-2005, 02:33

What liberties can you dish out though in these estranged times, library computers hooked up to the net have been practically locked down and virtually un browsable because of hordes of asian terrorist sites with details of bomabmaking and gun purchasing being browsed by apparently asians. Sounds like preparation for war to me on both sides of the fence.

Disapointing and unfortunate but thats the way things are right now, there was a time if you was a skinhead or punk you would be high on the police stop in the street agenda list

gooner4life · 02-03-2005, 08:00

It is no different to anybody else being more likely to get a tug from the police due to there appearance.

I dont see what the problem is.

aliferste · 02-03-2005, 09:19

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Originally Posted by NitroNutter

What liberties can you dish out though in these estranged times, library computers hooked up to the net have been practically locked down and virtually un browsable because of hordes of asian terrorist sites with details of bomabmaking and gun purchasing being browsed by apparently asians. Sounds like preparation for war to me on both sides of the fence.

Eh? what proof have you go for that?

Ramrod · 02-03-2005, 09:19

She is just stating the bleeding obvious........

punky · 02-03-2005, 09:55

I don't suppose old ladies get stopped much either... I wonder why?

The devil, as always is in the details.

The police can only search people who match descriptions of people who are parties of interest. If one ethinicity commits a disproportionately high amount of crimes in one area, then naturally policing would be focused on that ethniicity.

Are cops supposed to keep a tally? "Well, we have searched 3 black men, 3 arabic men, 3 mediterrean, 1 white man and 2 asian.. we need to search 2 white men and an asian quickly before our shift ends, or we'll be racist..."

Police have to search, who they have to search.

Pierre · 02-03-2005, 09:57

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Originally Posted by Graham

UK Muslims should accept that people of Islamic appearance are more likely to be stopped and searched by police, a Home Office minister has said.

Hazel Blears said innocent Muslims would be targeted because of the search for Islamic extremists.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4309961.stm

So, under the guise of "preventing terrorism" we now have more justification for institutionalised racism.

Because *some* terrorists are Muslims (or, rather, people of Islamic appearance!!) *all* Muslims must be treated as suspects...!!!

Another great day for liberty and justice in the UK

That's life. If it was rastafarians that flew two jets into the WTC we'd probably be stopping them more often too.

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institutionalised racism.

I hate that phrase, it's another phrase that is quoted all too often and all too easy.

It's unlikely that a group of asian teenagers hanging out on street corner will be stopped on anti-terror grounds.

However, 4 asian men acting suspiciously in an airport or near an airport, probably would.

The Islamic Human Rights group shouldn't complain to us about that, they should complain to extremist elements within their communities.

gazzae · 02-03-2005, 10:01

I don't see a problem with it either. I've been stopped in heathrow a few times myself. I was stopped simply because I was getting off flight from Belfast and probably looked a bit of a hood.

punky · 02-03-2005, 10:04

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Originally Posted by Pierre

The Islamic Human Rights group shouldn't complain to us about that, they should complain to extremist elements within their communities.

That's a point. All these Islamic groups who say that they deplore extremists, terrorism and violence (some of which are just saying that because they feel they have to, not that they believe it, i'm sure), if they want to stop terrorism, and naturally most terrorists will appear arabic-pakistani, wouldn't they accept that fighting terrorism would mean fighting arabics & pakistanis?

NitroNutter · 02-03-2005, 10:13

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Originally Posted by aliferste

Eh? what proof have you go for that?

was all over the news some 6 - 12 months ago, maybe a bit more go look it up

Mr_love_monkey · 02-03-2005, 10:16

hmm... A group of extremist Muslims have threatened us.... so we need to find these people.... let me think.... hmmm..... I know! to avoid offending anyone lets have the police stop all the one legged midgets, that talk with a Spanish accent, and wear big hats - that way we can't be accused of being racist!

Bifta · 02-03-2005, 10:18

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Originally Posted by gazzae

I don't see a problem with it either. I've been stopped in heathrow a few times myself. I was stopped simply because I was getting off flight from Belfast and probably looked a bit of a hood.

Yeah but doesn't it really p*** you off that you're instantly under suspicion? I was stopped at Aldergrove on my way to Bristol, pulled aside, had every single case emptied, was physically searched then cross examined for the best part of an hour about why I was going to see friends in England and only just managed to get my flight. I think the solution is pretty clear ... STOP ANNOYING UNSTABLE MIDDLE EASTERN COUNTRIES!

(that last bit's a joke before anyone mounts their oversized horse)

**Paul** · 02-03-2005, 10:26

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Originally Posted by Graham

UK Muslims should accept that people of Islamic appearance are more likely to be stopped and searched by police, a Home Office minister has said.

Gee, what a surprise

I take it you would rather be blown up then