*ALL* ntl Cap Discussion Here Please.

[nemesis01]

well i am not with ntl anymore, but my brother in law is and we both agree that if ntl do infact enforce this ridiculous cap then he will leave ntl and look to some ADSL suppliers. really, where is the sense in upgrading people to 3MB if you are gonna put the brakes on how much they download, if i bought a cruise ship i would want to sail around the world in it, not nip to france for a day out.

i don't think it will be a "soft cap" as it is now either, ntl never bothered to mention the fact they had bunged a cap limit into the AUP when nobody was looking, this time though they appear to be actively advertising the fact so i guess it will be monitored and offenders stripped of their arms for a week or so to bring their download speeds down a bit.

hopefully i'm totally wrong, no really as me and the inlaw download much (much) more than 30GB a month and so need the extra bandwidth.

edit - we have also said we would pay an extra £5 each a month (on 1 bill) to go onto some kind of "unlimited tier" as we both use the connection as much and find it very handy to have.

[Ignition]

Then move to someone like Plusnet, they have various capped packages that might be more suited to your needs, £60 for 125GB a month outside of 1am-8am is I think one, sound good?

Originally Posted by nemesis01

well i am not with ntl anymore,

hopefully i'm totally wrong, no really as me and the inlaw download much (much) more than 30GB a month and so need the extra bandwidth.

So if YOU are not with NTL whats the problem for you.

[nemesis01]

Originally Posted by Ignition

£60 for 125GB a month outside of 1am-8am is I think one, sound good?

no, terrible infact, we do most of our downloading at night, just start something going and leave it overnight really.
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Originally Posted by Bill C

So if YOU are not with NTL whats the problem for you.

The problem is I now pay half of my brother inlaws bill so I can use it when I need to.

[th'engineer]

Originally Posted by Bill C

So if YOU are not with NTL whats the problem for you.

Come on Bill he is allowed a view its a free forum

Originally Posted by nemesis01

if i bought a cruise ship i would want to sail around the world in it, not nip to france for a day out.

So if you had a sports car would you drive up the motorway at it max speed as well

Sorry had to put that one in

[Rone]

Well i left, but its still of interest to me.
Who knows in this ever-changing internet environment we live in, who will be next months market leader.

[th'engineer]

Originally Posted by Bill C

So if you had a sports car would you drive up the motorway at it max speed as well

Sorry had to put that one in

Bet you would want to if the was no speed cap

Originally Posted by th'engineer

Bet you would want to if the was no speed cap

you would have no chance anyway there would be a 4x4 hogging the lane anyway but thats for another thread

[slowcoach]

Headless chickens come to mind.
How many more different official rumours/leaks are there going to be in the next few weeks. If these reports are coming from within the NTL boardroom, which looks more and more doubtful, then it is obvious that the whole capping/pricing is still up in the air, presumably the board are afraid of making a decision which will
A) cause current users to leave.
B) Drive potential customers to other ISP's.


As it stands today, the report is going to make quite a lot of current users leave/downgrade and it is also going to put off prospective users, remember that not all prospective users are newbie's so they will fully understand what capping means.
Of course I fully expect a new Rumour/Leak to appear tomorrow or the day after, then another, then another....
It's almost as if NTL is testing the reaction before implementation.


Higher speeds WILL lead to more/bigger downloads no matter what people say about their habits not changing, ISP's are going to have to accept this fact and charge appropriately, GET THE MONEY IN NTL, that's what you are in business for, don't restrict usage.

No other business I deal with limits how much I can spend with them, on the contrary everyone else keeps wanting me to spend more and more with them.


Finally, to the NTL Board, get this wrong and the shareholders will have your guts for garters.


(that should get the chickens running again)

Originally Posted by slowcoach

Headless chickens come to mind.
How many more different official rumours/leaks are there going to be in the next few weeks. If these reports are coming from within the NTL boardroom, which looks more and more doubtful, then it is obvious that the whole capping/pricing is still up in the air, presumably the board are afraid of making a decision which will
A) cause current users to leave.
B) Drive potential customers to other ISP's.


As it stands today, the report is going to make quite a lot of current users leave/downgrade and it is also going to put off prospective users, remember that not all prospective users are newbie's so they will fully understand what capping means.
Of course I fully expect a new Rumour/Leak to appear tomorrow or the day after, then another, then another....
It's almost as if NTL is testing the reaction before implementation.


Higher speeds WILL lead to more/bigger downloads no matter what people say about their habits not changing, ISP's are going to have to accept this fact and charge appropriately, GET THE MONEY IN NTL, that's what you are in business for, don't restrict usage.

No other business I deal with limits how much I can spend with them, on the contrary everyone else keeps wanting me to spend more and more with them.


Finally, to the NTL Board, get this wrong and the shareholders will have your guts for garters.


(that should get the chickens running again)

Good level post

[ProfPete]

Originally Posted by th'engineer

Bet you would want to if the was no speed cap

I know, but the current national speed limit in this country is only here because of emergency legislation brought in during a fuel crisis (1970s?) that was never repealed.

If speeding is unsafe, then why do German motorways not have speed limits, yet they have the least accidents?

[ian@huth]

Originally Posted by ProfPete

I know, but the current national speed limit in this country is only here because of emergency legislation brought in during a fuel crisis (1970s?) that was never repealed.

If speeding is unsafe, then why do German motorways not have speed limits, yet they have the least accidents?

No it wasn't. The 70 mph limit was introduced as a temporary measure in the the mid 60's in an effort to reduce road accidents. Because this did work it was made permanent a couple of years later. An emergency 50 mph speed limit was introduced in 1973 to save fuel during the Egypt Israeli war. I know that date well as I still have the old style red driving licence with my only ever endorsement for speeding which was doing 60 mph on the M606 motorway going into Bradford during the time of the restriction.

[Repetition]

There are conflicting facts/rumours from "official sources" in this thread. While they LOOK very similar, they're actually distinctly different. Firstly there's:

750K will become 2Mb, for £24.99 per month, with a 1GB per day usage download limit (200K upload speed)
1.5Mb will become 3Mb, for £37.99 per month, with a 1GB per day usage download limit (300K upload speed)

Then there's:

750K will become 2Mb, for £24.99 per month, with a 30GB per month usage download limit (200K upload speed)
1.5Mb will become 3Mb, for £37.99 per month, with a 30GB per month usage download limit (300K upload speed)

If the aim is to cap "heavy" downloaders then the latter seems like the sensible way to achieve that end. The former, on the other hand, will likely oft single out "lite" users for special persecution.

E.G. - people who rarely download or limit their downloading sessions to the weekends might exceed the 1GB per day limit a handful of times during a given month and end up severely punished when their monthly downloading total is less (even considerably less) than 10GB.

Meanwhile, the canny "heavy" user could download 995Mb per day.... accumulating a VERY near 30GB per month downloading total.. with impunity.

For me, the distinction between 1GB per day and 30GB per month is an important one. If NTL plan on enforcing the former I'd likely soon be looking elsewhere for another provider.... whereas I don't think I've EVER, even nearly, downloaded 30GB in a month.

Ironic indeed that by enforcing a 1GB per day cap... NTL could potentially retain the "heavy" users they want to curb... while "lite" users and "weekenders" flee for greener pastures.

[ian@huth]

Heavy users have far more than 1Gb a day usage and will be the first to leave if restrictions lead to action. The 1 Gb a day soft cap referred to is only a reiteration of the current AUP usage guideline. NTL may start to send out letters when the new speeds are implemented if a customers usage is consistently over the guideline. Caps are only introduced if customers won't voluntarily abide by guidelines which ensure customers stay within the parameters of the pricing/usage model on which the service is based.