Ripper visits father's ashes site

sir_drinks_alot · 20-01-2005, 12:13

oh lord what will thay let him do next :scare:

Ripper visits father's ashes site

**Chris** · 20-01-2005, 12:16

If we believe that convicted criminals have no human rights left at all, then we should have done with it and send them to the gallows on conviction rather than locking them up for decades. If, on the other hand, we believe in rehabilitation alongside punishment, then it is our duty to allow even those who have committed the foulest crimes some basic human dignities such as a single visit to the last resting place of a parent. I see nothing wrong in Sutcliffe being allowed to make this visit.

STONEISLAND · 20-01-2005, 12:25

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Originally Posted by Chris T

If we believe that convicted criminals have no human rights left at all, then we should have done with it and send them to the gallows on conviction rather than locking them up for decades. If, on the other hand, we believe in rehabilitation alongside punishment, then it is our duty to allow even those who have committed the foulest crimes some basic human dignities such as a single visit to the last resting place of a parent. I see nothing wrong in Sutcliffe being allowed to make this visit.

Not being funny but he should rot in prison and never be allowed out of his cell let alone to his fathers grave.

You tell that to the families of the murder victims and see what they would say.

Mike · 20-01-2005, 12:27

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Originally Posted by Chris T

If we believe that convicted criminals have no human rights left at all, then we should have done with it and send them to the gallows on conviction rather than locking them up for decades. If, on the other hand, we believe in rehabilitation alongside punishment, then it is our duty to allow even those who have committed the foulest crimes some basic human dignities such as a single visit to the last resting place of a parent. I see nothing wrong in Sutcliffe being allowed to make this visit.

Totally agree

dilli-theclaw · 20-01-2005, 12:28

I think Chris T has it spot on as well.

Nugget · 20-01-2005, 12:33

As Towny has said, he is in prison as a matter of rehabilitation (and yes, I am aware that it's unlikely that Sutcliffe will ever be realised), and it is also his human right to be allowed to visit his fathers grave. If you would like to infringe on his rights as a human being, then that would have to be extended to everyone in prison, starting with those who haven't paid their television licence and working up - I fail to see that people would have the same knee-jerk reaction.

**Chris** · 20-01-2005, 12:40

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Originally Posted by skunk4u

Not being funny but he should rot in prison and never be allowed out of his cell let alone to his fathers grave.

You tell that to the families of the murder victims and see what they would say.

I'm quite sure that most if not all of the families would say exactly what you just did. This is why it is a good thing that our justice system is in the hands of people who are capable of taking a step back, looking at the bigger picture and being objective.

Sarah_77 · 20-01-2005, 12:43

I'm sure the families of the victims would have something to say about it. He should have no privelidges.

STONEISLAND · 20-01-2005, 12:49

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Originally Posted by Chris T

I'm quite sure that most if not all of the families would say exactly what you just did. This is why it is a good thing that our justice system is in the hands of people who are capable of taking a step back, looking at the bigger picture and being objective.

Ok look at it like this if you sister had been raped knifed abused for several hours plus other women (I know it sounds harsh) would you not want the worst to happen to the evil man Sutclife?

Would you be at home when you hear it on the news that Sutclife is going to his dads grave and thinking 'oh I'm glade that man is in rehabilitation for his crime so pleased that he is also going to see his fathers grave, hopefully it will cheer him up for his sins.'

Sorry the man should have been hung for his crimes.

We are fair to soft today hence to many people in prison.

downquark1 · 20-01-2005, 12:49

He was unable to do any harm, and visiting a relative's grave is hardly a holiday.

Perhaps it will give him insight into the pain he's caused others.

STONEISLAND · 20-01-2005, 12:50

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Originally Posted by Sarah_77

I'm sure the families of the victims would have something to say about it. He should have no privelidges.

And

Enjoy

Sarah_77 · 20-01-2005, 12:53

Hi Skunk4u and cheers for the welcome

**Chris** · 20-01-2005, 13:05

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Originally Posted by skunk4u

Ok look at it like this if you sister had been raped knifed abused for several hours plus other women (I know it sounds harsh) would you not want the worst to happen to the evil man Sutclife?

Would you be at home when you hear it on the news that Sutclife is going to his dads grave and thinking 'oh I'm glade that man is in rehabilitation for his crime so pleased that he is also going to see his fathers grave, hopefully it will cheer him up for his sins.'

Sorry the man should have been hung for his crimes.

We are fair to soft today hence to many people in prison.

You're asking the wrong person, Skunkie my friend. I'm a Christian of the born-again kind (as most regulars on this board are well aware!). I believe in forgiveness and restoration for all people while they are alive, and judgement and damnation only after death. And I believe that our responsibility is to find our own forgiveness and restoration while we are alive, and to help others find the same, not to hasten them towards a meeting with their maker.

As for horrible things happening to my family: Well, our family has had more than its share of tragedy, though thankfully not a murder. So I'll thank you not to assume how I might react to it. Being a Christian is about recognising the right thing to do, and then calling on divine strength in order to do it. Still, when bad things have happened, I am glad to say I was adult enough to recognise that it was a good thing that it was not my responsiblity to meet out retribution/punishment/whatever.

STONEISLAND · 20-01-2005, 13:08

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Originally Posted by Chris T

You're asking the wrong person, Skunkie my friend. I'm a Christian of the born-again kind (as most regulars on this board are well aware!). I believe in forgiveness and restoration for all people while they are alive, and judgement and damnation only after death. And I believe that our responsibility is to find our own forgiveness and restoration while we are alive, and to help others find the same, not to hasten them towards a meeting with their maker.

As for horrible things happening to my family: Well, our family has had more than its share of tragedy, though thankfully not a murder. So I'll thank you not to assume how I might react to it. Being a Christian is about recognising the right thing to do, and then calling on divine strength in order to do it. Still, when bad things have happened, I am glad to say I was adult enough to recognise that it was a good thing that it was not my responsiblity to meet out retribution/punishment/whatever.

Peace

And just to let you know I'm a Christian too.

**Chris** · 20-01-2005, 13:12

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Originally Posted by skunk4u

Peace

And just to let you know I'm a Christian too.

- of course.

Glad to hear you're a Christian ... in which case, don't you think John 8 3-11 is the right pattern to follow when dealing with people whose crimes might be seen as deserving a death sentence?