*ALL* Speed Upgrade Discussion In Here Please

[daxx]

Originally Posted by Tristan

It won't be long I think before NTL start saying that ethernet is *required* for connections above a certain level (and this probably isn't a bad thing).

Oh no !!!, I can just imagine some poor cs/ts trying to get into mr/ms newbies head that a usb port cannot physically accommodate an RJ45 plug no matter how hard you whack it with a hammer or how much lube' you spray on it

[quadplay]

What makes you think we don't have to do that now?

[ian@huth]

Originally Posted by etccarmageddon

yes but when you compare it to comparible ADSL products that Wandaoo and others offer (i.e. high speed, under £20 a month and small monthly GB allowance).........

- do those products have such a low upload speed?

Most of the sub £20 high speed ADSL offerings have a 1 or 2 Gb per month cap. They are aimed at low usage customers and may have a much higher upload speed than cable lower tiers but the majority of users will never take advantage of this higher upload speed. ADSL is more of a symetrical method of providing broadband than cable is. Contention on ADSL has no effect until the signals hit the exchange. Both ADSL and cable have their good points and bad points. The customer chooses which service to buy based on how well the different offerings suit his/her usage requirements. The speeds that ISPs offer, both upload and download, have to be within a range that the infrastructure can sustain without undue effect on customers and at a price that generates enough profit to maintain and expand the infrastructure whilst still giving a return to shareholders.

[c1rcle]

What happens to those of us who decide not to have the upgraded speeds? are we likely to lose our connections totally in the future? if ntl decide they will no longer support the usb connections are they going to supply the ethernet thingies (sorry I dunno what to call them) to replace them?

[daxx]

Originally Posted by c1rcle

What happens to those of us who decide not to have the upgraded speeds? are we likely to lose our connections totally in the future? if ntl decide they will no longer support the usb connections are they going to supply the ethernet thingies (sorry I dunno what to call them) to replace them?

1. The 'new' teirs will work through usb (although the Network Interface Card (NIC)/Ethernet route is better for any network connection)

2. Remember that 'anything plugged into a usb port is using up your processors computing power as it has to preform any conversion required to get the signals to the correct device.

3 The days of 'NIC only' for any cable provider are 'maybe' far into the future and your current computer will be either long outdated or a manufacturer will come up with USB X capable of handling the speeds required

[dragon]

Originally Posted by daxx

1. The 'new' teirs will work through usb (although the Network Interface Card (NIC)/Ethernet route is better for any network connection)

2. Remember that 'anything plugged into a usb port is using up your processors computing power as it has to preform any conversion required to get the signals to the correct device.

3 The days of 'NIC only' for any cable provider are 'maybe' far into the future and your current computer will be either long outdated or a manufacturer will come up with USB X capable of handling the speeds required

u mean usb2 which is already on a lot of modern computers and capable of handleing 480mbits a sec

ntl just need to start to supply modems that support usb2...

[c1rcle]

Originally Posted by daxx

1. The 'new' teirs will work through usb (although the Network Interface Card (NIC)/Ethernet route is better for any network connection)

2. Remember that 'anything plugged into a usb port is using up your processors computing power as it has to preform any conversion required to get the signals to the correct device.

3 The days of 'NIC only' for any cable provider are 'maybe' far into the future and your current computer will be either long outdated or a manufacturer will come up with USB X capable of handling the speeds required

Thanks, I can stop worrying now

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by thomson

no disrespect but trust who you want, i couldnt care less .

If I find that ntl have been lying to me on the phone (which i doubt), I will first of all make a complaint to trading standards and then come back on here and tell you guys whats going on.

Regardless of what NTL say on the phone, Ignition hasn't (to my knowledge) been wrong when he has said anything about NTL and what they provide. As I understand it, he himself would be involved in any upgrade work for the new speeds, so I think he would know.

BTW, when saying that some bloke from NTL told you on the phone , bear in mind that Customer Service Reps have been known to say a few things that have not turned out to be true..

Not saying anyone here is a liar BTW (So Debsy and orangebird please put those knives away).
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Originally Posted by dragon

u mean usb2 which is already on a lot of modern computers and capable of handleing 480mbits a sec

ntl just need to start to supply modems that support usb2...

or using the Ethernet port that comes with most modern PCs..

[ian@huth]

Originally Posted by dragon

u mean usb2 which is already on a lot of modern computers and capable of handleing 480mbits a sec

ntl just need to start to supply modems that support usb2...

It's not the speed of the port, it is the fact that it uses more resources.

[BBKing]

38Mbps for EuroDOCSIS

Not for a Terajet, cleverclogs - DOCSIS only Mind you, with QAM256 downstream...

480Mbps pah. Try 1000Mbps for size.

[dragon]

Originally Posted by ianathuth

It's not the speed of the port, it is the fact that it uses more resources.

ah but with modern cpus the average joe user probably wont even notice this..

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by dragon

ah but with modern cpus the average joe user probably wont even notice this..

Having experienced the problems even 2.8Ghz processors can have with USB modems (ADSL in this case), I would tend to disagree.

[dragon]

Originally Posted by scastle

Having experienced the problems even 2.8Ghz processors can have with USB modems (ADSL in this case), I would tend to disagree.

fair enough i stand corrected then

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by BBKing

Not for a Terajet, cleverclogs - DOCSIS only Mind you, with QAM256 downstream...

480Mbps pah. Try 1000Mbps for size.

Now, a gigabit connection.. That would be nice. My machine already has Gigabit ethernet on board (although the router is only capable of 100Megabits so would need to be upgraded.
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Originally Posted by dragon

fair enough i stand corrected then

Actually, in all fairness, the modem was some cheap and nasty thing supplied by Wanadoo (still prefer to call them Freeswerve though), so it could have been crap drivers that caused the problem.

Mind you, with Ethernet, the drivers are often built into the OS.

[dragon]

Originally Posted by scastle

Now, a gigabit connection.. That would be nice. My machine already has Gigabit ethernet on board (although the router is only capable of 100Megabits so would need to be upgraded.
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Actually, in all fairness, the modem was some cheap and nasty thing supplied by Wanadoo (still prefer to call them Freeswerve though), so it could have been crap drivers that caused the problem.

Mind you, with Ethernet, the drivers are often built into the OS.

nvidia ones wernt for my nforce board and when i tryed to install the nforce drivers it said i needed to get directx 9 and gave me a download link (DOH!) but luckely i had dx9 on a game cd...

but anyway thats a whole diffrerent matter....

i hope the speed increse happens soon and i hope its free!