dangerous road junctions

[paulyoung666]

having just read this i am amazed that ppl still choose to cross a very busy dual carriageway to save a distance of a few miles , ok so it is dangerous and the remedial work needs to be done to sort it , but ......... why risk lives for the sake of a couple of mile detour

[Chimaera]

Because people never leave enough time to complete their journeys anywhere, and then expect to cut corners to save time. And I know what the people were saying in that article about there being hundreds of accidents and near misses, but unless there have been 3 serious accidents (meaning killed or serious injury) in the previous 2 years, then the authorities will do diddly squat anyway. Well that's the case in London.
A 'serious injury' is counted as follows:

Serious injury: An injury for which a person is detained in hospital as an †œin-patientââ‚à ‚¬Ã‚ÂÂ�, or any of the following injuries whether or not they are detained in hospital: fractures, concussion, internal injuries, crushings, burns (excluding friction burns), severe cuts and lacerations, severe general shock requiring medical treatment and injuries causing death 30 or more days after the accident.

As found here.

[paulyoung666]

Originally Posted by Chimaera

Because people never leave enough time to complete their journeys anywhere, and then expect to cut corners to save time. And I know what the people were saying in that article about there being hundreds of accidents and near misses, but unless there have been 3 serious accidents (meaning killed or serious injury) in the previous 2 years, then the authorities will do diddly squat anyway. Well that's the case in London.
A 'serious injury' is counted as follows:
As found here.

you aint wrong there , i just cant see the point of risking your life , the funny thing is , at busy times you can wait 10 mins to get across which is easily as long as going the long way round

[Chimaera]

Shame we haven't got access to the existing road layout and any proposed plans to be implemented - I could do a Road Safty Audit on them!!

[AndrewJ]

Forgive me for saying but are these drivers trained in road driving and safety? in such case if they pull out and cause a accident from oncoming traffic on the dual carridgeway then it is there own stupidity which caused the accident.

As for the childrens concern and letter to the pm, that is sweet and I do hope it makes the local council do something about the road.

Sadly with the rat race nation we are today where 20seconds longer seems like a eternity when your in your car, the junction is sadly just too tempting, and for those who either dont have a fast car, or there car is faster then the driver, who dont realise the manover is behond what they are capable of, dont just carry on the long way.

I know whenever I am on the road I always turn left go down the road, around the roundabout and back down the road, I never do a right hand turn into a main road crossing the left hand lane. Too stupid and the risk factor is high. All for 2minutes.

[Paul K]

Originally Posted by paulyoung666

you aint wrong there , i just cant see the point of risking your life , the funny thing is , at busy times you can wait 10 mins to get across which is easily as long as going the long way round

It may be that it is an apropriate junction but it just can't cope with the traffic load anymore due to it's proximity to the school, unfortunately any road can be safe for the vast majority of the day but go near it during the school run and all of a sudden it seems like Boudicea is behind the wheel of 90% of the cars Is there a photo of that junction floating around the web anywhere? Could be insteresting to see if it's a dual carriageway crossing a standard 2 lane road as we have to wrestle with one here every day and it's a nightmare when it rains as the school run just gets even worse It's difficult to argue the toss on the road layout without seeing what the road layout is.
By the way I'm not pinning the blame on parents taking kids to school here, the increase in the ammount of traffic on the road just seems to bring out the worse in some already dubious drivers out there. All of a sudden they realise that they are cutting it fine as they are now in more traffic than normal and they become aggressive in their driving style We see it here on a daily basis unfortunately on the way to work My fault for getting a job in education I suppose

[paulyoung666]

if you can picture this , it is a single carriageway road trying to cross a busy dual carriageway at a t-junction , there is a central reservation which at most will accomadate 2 cars or one large van , the best laugh is the school they are on about is about as large as a large house , it cant hold more than about 50 kids and is in a small village , i think the main problem is the dual carriageway is on a slight bend so ppl cant quite see what is speeding along , there is a space for a speed camera which is almost never there so that is no deterrent , i have used the junction every day to go to work and it is a simple slip road off job to get to work , the long way around maybe adds 2-3 miles to my journey home and the best bit is it takes no longer at tea time as i often see ppl from work who have left at the same time where our paths cross , it just really amazes me that ppl will risk there life for no gain

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by paulyoung666

having just read this i am amazed that ppl still choose to cross a very busy dual carriageway to save a distance of a few miles , ok so it is dangerous and the remedial work needs to be done to sort it , but ......... why risk lives for the sake of a couple of mile detour

Dangerous road junctions are one of my big pet hates, around here I could take you to the top 3 dangerous junctions and they are all on new road schemes built within the last 10 years.

I even wrote to the highways department about one in our town and they told me to speak to the local authority. The very same authority many had already complained to and got nowhere. They have placed some traffic light at a junction in town, and only put traffic lights on the nearside of the road, lorries park on the pavement obscuring the lights whilst making deliveries and one day a stranger is going to innocently knock someone over, as it also includes a pedestrian crossing.

Has anyone ever seel a traffic controlled junction with lights on the left of the road but not on the right?

I know it was another council c**k-up, they had to re-do it twice and probably run out of funds. Thats our council for you

[AndrewJ]

whats insurance like for those living near these accident black spots?

[Chimaera]

Originally Posted by AndrewJames

whats insurance like for those living near these accident black spots?

Car insurance? Makes no differnce as they go on the postcode where you live, actuaries are more interested in your age, previous driving convictions (if any) and theft risk (hence the postcode request when you buy motor insurance)
Buildings insurance? Not sure, although I have heard that a resident near where I live has just been refused insurance as her front garden wall has been demolished 3 times in the past year due to 'barry boys' (aka Chavs) driving down the local dual carriageway too fast, then seeing the bend in the road too late So far there are no serious injuries or deaths, but I'm sure it's only a matter of time

[Paul K]

Originally Posted by paulyoung666

if you can picture this , it is a single carriageway road trying to cross a busy dual carriageway at a t-junction , there is a central reservation which at most will accomadate 2 cars or one large van

So it is a single carriageway T-junctioning onto a dual carriageway or is it crossing the dual carriageway?
I'm a bit cack at drawing but is it this sort of set up with the single carriageway tring to turn onto or off a dual carriageway with just a gap in the central reservation to try and wait in?

[paulyoung666]

Originally Posted by Paul

So it is a single carriageway T-junctioning onto a dual carriageway or is it crossing the dual carriageway?
I'm a bit cack at drawing but is it this sort of set up with the single carriageway tring to turn onto or off a dual carriageway with just a gap in the central reservation to try and wait in?

single carriageway trying to join

[Paul K]

Originally Posted by paulyoung666

single carriageway trying to join

T-bone city then not good, we have a similar junction on the way to work, not fun when the road is busy. Only good thing is that it's a long flat stretch so visibility isn't impeded. I take it that a lot of traffic is turning off the dual onto the single to get to the school and then having to do the return trip after dropping the kids off

[paulyoung666]

Originally Posted by Paul

T-bone city then not good, we have a similar junction on the way to work, not fun when the road is busy. Only good thing is that it's a long flat stretch so visibility isn't impeded. I take it that a lot of traffic is turning off the dual onto the single to get to the school and then having to do the return trip after dropping the kids off

it would appear to be the case , mind you its not as if the school is that big , picture a small village hall size building and you should get the picture