*ALL* ntl Cap Discussion Here Please. - Page 12

Hans Gruber · 08-01-2005, 13:34

Do you really want to have to wait for NTL to acknowledge these new technologies before you can make use of them?

ian@huth · 08-01-2005, 14:12

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Originally Posted by Hans Gruber

Do you really want to have to wait for NTL to acknowledge these new technologies before you can make use of them?

Which new technologies?

If you are talking about High Definition video streaming have you got a PC powerful enough to process it correctly or enough storage to download it for later viewing? Some of the tests on satellite are using 19 Mbps at 1920x1080i resolution and another at the same resolution is using 34 Mbps.

NTL will know what is coming along and will take account of how things will affect their market position. They will not base their strategy on niche markets.

One rumour doing the rounds at the moment is that NTL will soon be replacing all customers broadband modems with new modems running DOCSIS2. Think of that what you will.

Hans Gruber · 08-01-2005, 14:21

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Originally Posted by ianathuth

Which new technologies?

If you are talking about High Definition video streaming have you got a PC powerful enough to process it correctly or enough storage to download it for later viewing? Some of the tests on satellite are using 19 Mbps at 1920x1080i resolution and another at the same resolution is using 34 Mbps.

NTL will know what is coming along and will take account of how things will affect their market position. They will not base their strategy on niche markets.

One rumour doing the rounds at the moment is that NTL will soon be replacing all customers broadband modems with new modems running DOCSIS2. Think of that what you will.

Who knows what new techs might come along, but I'd like to be able to experience them without NTL dictating how I must receive them. And yeah my PC is fast enough to decode the files (well if the WM samples are anything to go by) :p

The fact is 40gb is not much by coming standards. If it was maybe a 6 month stop gap while NTL increased capacity, people could live with it. But from past experience companies don't remove restrictions once in place, if it means possible lower profit margins.

08-01-2005, 14:24

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Originally Posted by Hans Gruber

But from past experience companies don't remove restrictions once in place, if it means possible lower profit margins.

Isn't speed a restriction?

Rik · 08-01-2005, 14:43

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Originally Posted by Bill C

all i can say is sooooooo true and to the point.

sits back and waits for the normal heavy users to say how small there drives are

Dear Bill

Please can you help as ive now run out of space on my 500gig array of HDs.
Please can you fix it for me to get another 500gigs please as thats such a small capacity on its own

PS.
You seem to be one NTLs top IT professionals so you must be on "Premium" wages, so you could afford it no problem!!!
Ill pm my delivery address later

08-01-2005, 14:52

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Originally Posted by Rik

Dear Bill

Please can you help as ive now run out of space on my 500gig array of HDs.
Please can you fix it for me to get another 500gigs please as thats such a small capacity on its own

PS.
You seem to be one NTLs top IT professionals so you must be on "Premium" wages, so you could afford it no problem!!!
Ill pm my delivery address later

Sorry i need the money to buy more shares.

Stuart · 08-01-2005, 15:20

Why is everyone assuming these caps will actively enforced? Has the current one?

NTL have not said what they will do with people that go over the cap. They may cut you off, they may charge for the extra download. The fact is that WE DON'T KNOW. All we have at the moment is speculation.

To be honest, if the cap is a problem, then most of us do have an answer: Find an uncapped broadband provider. If enough people do this, you can bet NTL will reconsider their position.

08-01-2005, 15:30

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Originally Posted by scastle

Why is everyone assuming these caps will actively enforced? Has the current one?

NTL have not said what they will do with people that go over the cap. They may cut you off, they may charge for the extra download. The fact is that WE DON'T KNOW. All we have at the moment is speculation.

To be honest, if the cap is a problem, then most of us do have an answer: Find an uncapped broadband provider. If enough people do this, you can bet NTL will reconsider their position.

Now there is commonsense Well said.

But lets face it. People just love to debate about the unknown, which is what this is. The unknown until such time NTL give out more information.

I am buying a new dvd recorder but they are not sure until the day it is sent what time it will arrive. You can debate that if you want its the same thing in the end An unknown .

MovedGoalPosts · 08-01-2005, 15:43

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Originally Posted by scastle

Why is everyone assuming these caps will actively enforced? Has the current one?

NTL have not said what they will do with people that go over the cap. They may cut you off, they may charge for the extra download. The fact is that WE DON'T KNOW. All we have at the moment is speculation.

Ntl's own propoaganda suggests metering will be a real possibility: http://www.ntl.com/locales/gb/en/inv...-Final-UBS.pdf see page 11 shows references that they expect a luanch in 2005 after VOD. This story was pciked up on by CF in news article: http://www.cableforum.co.uk/article/...adband-in-2005 . Although I will admit that it is unclear whether this would be an additional package to the exisitng (upgraded speed) lineups.

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To be honest, if the cap is a problem, then most of us do have an answer: Find an uncapped broadband provider. If enough people do this, you can bet NTL will reconsider their position.

Agreed, but ntl do seem rather blinkered to the views of their customers, with high level management spouting the party line and generally preferring to provide what is good for ntl rather than what the customer might prefer.

quadplay · 08-01-2005, 15:44

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Originally Posted by Bill C

I am buying a new dvd recorder but they are not sure until the day it is sent what time it will arrive. You can debate that if you want its the same thing in the end An unknown .

You still owe me that

if that works, Bill!

08-01-2005, 15:51

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Originally Posted by jimbo

You still owe me that

if that works, Bill!

Definitely

Chrysalis · 08-01-2005, 17:30

I find it even more funny how we get treated like dumb idiots. How does 3mbit make web browsing faster then 750kbit, have you ran tests? becuase I have between 300kbit,750kbit and 1.5mbit and there is a subantial difference between 300kbit and 750kbit but next to nothing between 750kbit and 1.5mbit so going upto 3mbit will make under 5% difference. The only thing 3mbit helps on is downloading large files, even downloading small files such as virus defenitions is slower on the old speeds but its hardly unacceptable just a few seconds. 3mbit comes into play when you downloading things such as CD/DVD images, Large movie clips, game demos, multitasking between different internet apps, have large household using the internet all at once, HDTV (available abroad already and internet is a global market, and a 2ghz pc can handle it quite easily). To be quite frank 3mbit for web browsing is a waste of money you get a <%5 improvement so I guess its for the dumb and rich (waits for the flames). NTL are just like wannadoo and BT playing on the public's lack of knowledge, they advertising high speeds no mention of cap and hoping a low price lures the customers in. UK has a low average (6 gig is low) because our country is still behind in internet maturity.

My 95% 5% argument isnt flawed either as I never said the 5% who rarely use support are the same 5% who ntl claim they dont want as customers. 5% might not be anywhere near the true figure who dont use support but I am just assuming its a small percentage as ntl seem to be after the newbie customer's who dont know whats what and try to get them to think that 2mbit/3mbit is only used for web browsing/email.

DVS · 08-01-2005, 18:04

Well what do you know yet another Cap thread with nothing new in it. The same crowds of cap supporters and cap detesters debating the same points. I've read nothing new in this thread that hasn't been said on here before.

When all is said and done it looks like a hard cap is coming. What we say or do on here will not change that fact. The only way this 'may' change is if enough people leave NTLs services post cap implementation and that simply will not happen.

ian@huth · 08-01-2005, 18:05

Chysalis, the three tiers that we have with NTL each have a different upload speed and it can be that the highest tier is required by some customers because it has a much higher upload than the other two. These users may do very little downloading at all.

Some users may only want to download a few very high quality images each month but cannot afford the time to wait for the slower speed tiers to download them.

Web browsing may not be much different on the three tiers but many a time whilst just browsing you get a link which when clicked downloads a file to your computer. That file may take 6 minutes on a 1 meg connection, 3 minutes on a 2 meg connection and 2 minutes on a 3 meg connection but some people would rather not wait that extra 4 minutes and wouldn't mind paying the fiver a week extra to avoid it.

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UK has a low average (6 gig is low) because our country is still behind in internet maturity.

Or it could be that the majority of our country are mature enough to realise that they can get a much better quality audio visual experience using equipment made specifically for the purpose that doesn't use any bandwidth. They may be mature enough to realise that downloading everything under the sun 24/7, much of which will never be seen, heard or used is pretty pointless.

Ignition · 08-01-2005, 19:08

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UK has a low average (6 gig is low) because our country is still behind in internet maturity.

Rrright, so Canada which has had multi-megabit DSL since 1995 and uses similar or less is equally immature?

Don't equate 'immaturity' with low usage, you're insulting everyone who doesn't use the internet for warez. (Awaits the screams of innocence and the list of all the legit apps that while they are getting more popular still pale into comparison with the 60+% of your average ISP's traffic which is P2P, not including the Usenet traffic)