Russia has invaded Ukraine

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by thenry

I'll be honest I don't understand all that. Countries are cooperating with eachother fine. There's no need for the freeloading.

What are you on about? The freeloading has been acknowledged by the European countries and as been stopped as evidenced by their defence budget increases.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

What are you on about? The freeloading has been acknowledged by the European countries and as been stopped as evidenced by their defence budget increases.

The freeloading is debatable anyway, despite what donny would have us believe it suited Anerica to have them freeloading, to a degree anyway, America's foreign policy interests were well served by the freeloading and there were no complaints when Europe went to war on America's behalf in Afghanistan, they were better served then than now at any rate, great news donny no ones freeloading anymore but America has no allies and its arms industry would be on its arse if it wasn't so busy restocking after a stupid war that didn't need fighting, is it really any wonder how this berk managed to bankrupt 7 casinos, the man is incapable of any rationale long term thinking, he is like a child

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

The freeloading is debatable anyway, despite what donny would have us believe it suited Anerica to have them freeloading, to a degree anyway, America's foreign policy interests were well served by the freeloading and there were no complaints when Europe went to war on America's behalf in Afghanistan, they were better served then than now at any rate, great news donny no ones freeloading anymore but America has no allies and its arms industry would be on its arse if it wasn't so busy restocking after a stupid war that didn't need fighting, is it really any wonder how this berk managed to bankrupt 7 casinos, the man is incapable of any rationale long term thinking, he is like a child

All fair points.

[Carth]

Don't worry, Trump knows what he's doing . . . right up until he wakes and his brain cogs start slipping

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

The freeloading is debatable anyway, despite what donny would have us believe it suited Anerica to have them freeloading, to a degree anyway, America's foreign policy interests were well served by the freeloading and there were no complaints when Europe went to war on America's behalf in Afghanistan, they were better served then than now at any rate, great news donny no ones freeloading anymore but America has no allies and its arms industry would be on its arse if it wasn't so busy restocking after a stupid war that didn't need fighting, is it really any wonder how this berk managed to bankrupt 7 casinos, the man is incapable of any rationale long term thinking, he is like a child

Yes, no such thing as a free lunch or airbase.

Originally Posted by thenry

I'll be honest I don't understand all that. Countries are cooperating with eachother fine. There's no need for the freeloading.

Once again, it’s not freeloading…

The USA has bases (and lots and lots of military supplies) in Europe because when they decide to attack/defend Countries in the Middle East, it’s cheaper and quicker for them to ship the ammo, parts, & people from Europe to their bases in the Middle East than it would be to ship them from various bases in the USA (especially the bases in Middle/Western USA).

For instance, Ramstein (in Germany) to Kuwait is around 2,400 miles, and would take around 6 hours flight time; Joint Base Langley–Eustis (in Virginia, USA East Coast) to Kuwait is 6,500 miles, and would take 12-15 hours flight time, and would require refuelling stops, so would probably take longer…

When you’re moving tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of tons of equipment, this could make the difference between winning or losing a conflict.

LT. COL. GEORGE C. THORPE, USMC

"Strategy and tactics provide the scheme for military operations; logistics the means therefore

Or to put it another way, firepower & technology win battles, but logistics and supply lines win wars.

It’s no good having boots on the ground, if you can’t get ammo and food to them, as the Germans found out with Operation Barbarossa…

Anyway, speaking of supplies (and disruption thereof)

https://united24media.com/war-in-ukr...o-russia-20154

Key Ufa Refineries Hit After Ukrainian Drones Fly 870 Miles Into Russia

Ukrainian drones struck oil refineries in the Russian city of Ufa, according to footage published by the OSINT community Exilenova+ on June 25.

Videos filmed by residents captured the moments of impact, as well as drones flying over the city. The UAVs seen in the footage appear similar to Ukraine’s long-range Liutyi drones.

According to available information, two of the three oil refineries located in Ufa were hit.

The Ufa refining complex is located roughly 870 miles, or about 1,400 kilometers, from Ukraine’s state border. To reach the targets, the drones would have had to cover approximately that distance.

Ufa, the capital of Russia’s Bashkortostan region, is home to one of the country’s largest and most strategically important oil refining clusters. The complex consists of three major refineries integrated into a single technological system and controlled by Bashneft, a subsidiary of Rosneft.

The combined processing capacity of the Ufa refinery hub exceeds 22 million tons of oil per year, making it a major part of Russia’s overall refining capacity and an important fuel supply center.