Reform UK's chronicles

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I'm very certain that if Reform UK is misquoted, you'll be kind enough to keep us updated.

In terms of fighting fire with fire, I guess you're suggesting that Reform UK was misquoted by the Conservative Party? Even if this was true, two wrongs don't make a right and Reform UK should not do the same.

Reform gets misquoted all the time. The most recent one being that Farage was advocating that people should demonstrate ‘rage’, and even ‘white rage’ on the BBC, when he actually said ‘cold rage’, which is quite different.

Cold rage is a reaction to something that makes you absolutely determined to do something about it. This is what he’s advocating.

And those people who say he was trying to stir up division know very well that’s not what he was doing at all. He was saying what most people with brains are saying - that the police should be treating everybody the same.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Reform gets misquoted all the time. The most recent one being that Farage was advocating that people should demonstrate ‘rage’, and even ‘white rage’ on the BBC, when he actually said ‘cold rage’, which is quite different.

Cold rage is a reaction to something that makes you absolutely determined to do something about it. This is what he’s advocating.

And those people who say he was trying to stir up division know very well that’s not what he was doing at all. He was saying what most people with brains are saying - that the police should be treating everybody the same.

I agree the BBC misquoted Farage. But my point is that Reform shouldn't then misquote Badenoch. You say it's fighting fire with fire; I think it's gutter level politics.

I don't think you'll find anyone saying that police should not be treating everyone the same. The last report we had on this (2017) said that ethnic minorities were bring treated worse. It's time to see what the current situation is. Are they still being treated worse? Or is the British white majority now being treated worse? Or are both being treated the same? Let's take an evidence-based approach not an anecdotal one.

For a politician like Farage to call policing two tier at this stage is irresponsible. He has ceased to look and act like a PM-in-waiting.

[Carth]

To be honest, policing (and punishment) has for a long time been a case of them & us . . meaning the difference if you're a somebody or a nobody

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I agree the BBC misquoted Farage. But my point is that Reform shouldn't then misquote Badenoch. You say it's fighting fire with fire; I think it's gutter level politics.

I don't think you'll find anyone saying that police should not be treating everyone the same. The last report we had on this (2017) said that ethnic minorities were bring treated worse. It's time to see what the current situation is. Are they still being treated worse? Or is the British white majority now being treated worse? Or are both being treated the same? Let's take an evidence-based approach not an anecdotal one.

For a politician like Farage to call policing two tier at this stage is irresponsible. He has ceased to look and act like a PM-in-waiting.

We saw right in front of our eyes how one member of the British white majority died at the hands of the police who temporarily sided with the murderer.

Misquoting politicians is not the issue, Anyway, Farage calls it right and Kemi is beginning to do so.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

We saw right in front of our eyes how one member of the British white majority died at the hands of the police who temporarily sided with the murderer.

Misquoting politicians is not the issue, Anyway, Farage calls it right and Kemi is beginning to do so.

You're an intelligent person, Seph. You must know that you can't judge this properly on one or two high profile situations.

Reform UK misquoting Badenoch probably helped you and others think that she was not calling this correctly when she was. The truth is always important.

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Originally Posted by Carth

To be honest, policing (and punishment) has for a long time been a case of them & us . . meaning the difference if you're a somebody or a nobody

Agreed.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

You're an intelligent person, Seph. You must know that you can't judge this properly on one or two high profile situations.

Reform UK misquoting Badenoch probably helped you and others think that she was not calling this correctly when she was. The truth is always important.

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Agreed.

Honestly, Andrew, I have not followed the said/she said circus. That's just politicians squirming in their mutual discomfort.

But what was shown in front of the nation's eyes overwrites anything the politicians say. Except that Farage then weighs in, but gets it right, imo.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Carth

To be honest, policing (and punishment) has for a long time been a case of them & us . . meaning the difference if you're a somebody or a nobody

And there is the truth the people in charge really don't want to address, how if you're rich, with connections and influence you can literally get away with anything.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

We saw right in front of our eyes how one member of the British white majority died at the hands of the police who temporarily sided with the murderer.

He never died at the hands of police at all, they didn't murder him, mind you its the kind of thing farage would say and then cry about being misquoted

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

And there is the truth the people in charge really don't want to address, how if you're rich, with connections and influence you can literally get away with anything.




He never died at the hands of police at all, they didn't murder him, mind you its the kind of thing farage would say and then cry about being misquoted

Would he have still died if they had administered first aid and called an ambulance in the first place? Did handcuffing his hand behind his back exacerbate his injury?

If any answer to the above is yes, then he died at the hands of the police no matter which way you try to switch it.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

And there is the truth the people in charge really don't want to address, how if you're rich, with connections and influence you can literally get away with anything.




He never died at the hands of police at all, they didn't murder him, mind you its the kind of thing farage would say and then cry about being misquoted

We saw it in front of us. Literally at the hands of the police. Of course they didn't murder him and it was mischievous of you to attribute that sentiment to me.


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Originally Posted by pip08456

Would he have still died if they had administered first aid and called an ambulance in the first place? Did handcuffing his hand behind his back exacerbate his injury?

If any answer to the above is yes, then he died at the hands of the police no matter which way you try to switch it.

TheDaddy should not let his distaste for Farage distort his interpretation of what we saw on the police video.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Would he have still died if they had administered first aid and called an ambulance in the first place? Did handcuffing his hand behind his back exacerbate his injury?

If any answer to the above is yes, then he died at the hands of the police no matter which way you try to switch it.

I don't think the answer to any of the above is yes, what would have changed of course is that he'd have been comforted in his last moments and that is a burden those officers will have to carry forever

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

We saw it in front of us. Literally at the hands of the police. Of course they didn't murder him and it was mischievous of you to attribute that sentiment to me.

When you say died at their hands it literally means they killed him, its not mischief its grammatical fact

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

I don't think the answer to any of the above is yes, what would have changed of course is that he'd have been comforted in his last moments and that is a burden those officers will have to carry forever

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When you say died at their hands it literally means they killed him, its not mischief its grammatical fact

"...at" doesn't mean " ...by". The poor victim did not die "by their hands".

Originally Posted by pip08456

Would he have still died if they had administered first aid and called an ambulance in the first place? Did handcuffing his hand behind his back exacerbate his injury?

If any answer to the above is yes, then he died at the hands of the police no matter which way you try to switch it.

I think the judge said it wouldn't have made a difference; it was only a minute or so before they worked out he had been stabbed.

It was still very badly handled, but they're not responsible for his death. They are responsible for how they treated him in his final moments.