Reform UK's chronicles

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I'm very certain that if Reform UK is misquoted, you'll be kind enough to keep us updated.

In terms of fighting fire with fire, I guess you're suggesting that Reform UK was misquoted by the Conservative Party? Even if this was true, two wrongs don't make a right and Reform UK should not do the same.

Reform gets misquoted all the time. The most recent one being that Farage was advocating that people should demonstrate ‘rage’, and even ‘white rage’ on the BBC, when he actually said ‘cold rage’, which is quite different.

Cold rage is a reaction to something that makes you absolutely determined to do something about it. This is what he’s advocating.

And those people who say he was trying to stir up division know very well that’s not what he was doing at all. He was saying what most people with brains are saying - that the police should be treating everybody the same.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Reform gets misquoted all the time. The most recent one being that Farage was advocating that people should demonstrate ‘rage’, and even ‘white rage’ on the BBC, when he actually said ‘cold rage’, which is quite different.

Cold rage is a reaction to something that makes you absolutely determined to do something about it. This is what he’s advocating.

And those people who say he was trying to stir up division know very well that’s not what he was doing at all. He was saying what most people with brains are saying - that the police should be treating everybody the same.

I agree the BBC misquoted Farage. But my point is that Reform shouldn't then misquote Badenoch. You say it's fighting fire with fire; I think it's gutter level politics.

I don't think you'll find anyone saying that police should not be treating everyone the same. The last report we had on this (2017) said that ethnic minorities were bring treated worse. It's time to see what the current situation is. Are they still being treated worse? Or is the British white majority now being treated worse? Or are both being treated the same? Let's take an evidence-based approach not an anecdotal one.

For a politician like Farage to call policing two tier at this stage is irresponsible. He has ceased to look and act like a PM-in-waiting.

[Carth]

To be honest, policing (and punishment) has for a long time been a case of them & us . . meaning the difference if you're a somebody or a nobody

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I agree the BBC misquoted Farage. But my point is that Reform shouldn't then misquote Badenoch. You say it's fighting fire with fire; I think it's gutter level politics.

I don't think you'll find anyone saying that police should not be treating everyone the same. The last report we had on this (2017) said that ethnic minorities were bring treated worse. It's time to see what the current situation is. Are they still being treated worse? Or is the British white majority now being treated worse? Or are both being treated the same? Let's take an evidence-based approach not an anecdotal one.

For a politician like Farage to call policing two tier at this stage is irresponsible. He has ceased to look and act like a PM-in-waiting.

We saw right in front of our eyes how one member of the British white majority died at the hands of the police who temporarily sided with the murderer.

Misquoting politicians is not the issue, Anyway, Farage calls it right and Kemi is beginning to do so.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

We saw right in front of our eyes how one member of the British white majority died at the hands of the police who temporarily sided with the murderer.

Misquoting politicians is not the issue, Anyway, Farage calls it right and Kemi is beginning to do so.

You're an intelligent person, Seph. You must know that you can't judge this properly on one or two high profile situations.

Reform UK misquoting Badenoch probably helped you and others think that she was not calling this correctly when she was. The truth is always important.

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Originally Posted by Carth

To be honest, policing (and punishment) has for a long time been a case of them & us . . meaning the difference if you're a somebody or a nobody

Agreed.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

You're an intelligent person, Seph. You must know that you can't judge this properly on one or two high profile situations.

Reform UK misquoting Badenoch probably helped you and others think that she was not calling this correctly when she was. The truth is always important.

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Agreed.

Honestly, Andrew, I have not followed the said/she said circus. That's just politicians squirming in their mutual discomfort.

But what was shown in front of the nation's eyes overwrites anything the politicians say. Except that Farage then weighs in, but gets it right, imo.