Starmer’s chronicles

Originally Posted by papa smurf

i see angela has magicked up £40k to de fiddle hmrc and will pay no penalty


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You accidentally missed out a bit…

been cleared of deliberate wrongdoing or carelessness, with HMRC satisfied there was no tax avoidance

Strange when Rayner underpays Stamp Duty it’s a scandal, but when Tice underpays £91k of Corporation Tax, it’s a minor administrative error…

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

Oh no I find myself having to explain even though I really do not want to post here anymore but I was questioned about my view on Thatcher and the effects now and the point about council housing is pretty obvious or I thought so

Thatcher sold them did not replace them now we do not have them. It really not that hard to grasp surely? See now I am salty damn it haha

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Could also tie it all together with my previous point about privatisation because after all the council houses were sold up popped Private Housing Associations instead of the home own money generating council stock

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Where have all the coal mines gone. And seeing as I come from a mining area I have seen this first hand . Think that counts too? plus a hell of the lot of the economy is run of things she put in place. Steal industry Iron foundries ship building car manufacture . But no we are not still paying the price 35 years later

It wasn't just the fact she sold them off, its the fact she put laws and restrictions in place to stop new ones being built with the proceeds, her utilities sell off has led us to where we are now, sky high bills, companies loaded with debt and little investment, Norway has a huge sovereign wealth fund benefitting its people with the proceeds of North Sea oil, who benefitted from our north sea oil and we will be paying the price for her policies forever not just 35 years after because the damage done can't simply be undone, it took decades to get the right to buy money freed up and used in communities for instance

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

It wasn't just the fact she sold them off, its the fact she put laws and restrictions in place to stop new ones being built with the proceeds, her utilities sell off has led us to where we are now, sky high bills, companies loaded with debt and little investment, Norway has a huge sovereign wealth fund benefitting its people with the proceeds of North Sea oil, who benefitted from our north sea oil and we will be paying the price for her policies forever not just 35 years after because the damage done can't simply be undone, it took decades to get the right to buy money freed up and used in communities for instance

absolutely. We are living in Thatchers Britain. I thought everyone of a certain age knew all this.

I did say I had a list I was just waiting to see what replies I got.

How many of use pay council Tax? oh the big Poll Tax climb down

[Carth]

How many on here bought shares in British Gas went it was privatised . . and what did you then do with those shares?

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by Carth

How many on here bought shares in British Gas went it was privatised . . and what did you then do with those shares?

Always been a poor working class council estate lad never owned a share

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

Always been a poor working class council estate lad never owned a share

Started off on a poor working class council estate, clawed my way upwards, never bought shares in anything though.

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by Carth

Started off on a poor working class council estate, clawed my way upwards, never bought shares in anything though.

Fair play mate. I come from a mining town with 2 large collieries quite close by. One of which still run until relatively recently but at a tiny rate to what it was . We also had what was known as one of the best iron fabrication plants in the world had to close down due to lack of investment in the processes so those abroad could offer cheaper castings. Pretty much the same story with most of British industry

My best friends father was head union rep at one of them and the stuff they had to go through fighting for their just to get trampled on. Saw it all first hand some of these areas as well as the steal and ship building areas never really recovered that is why I can say without a shadow of any doubt we are still paying the price

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Carth

Started off on a poor working class council estate, clawed my way upwards, never bought shares in anything though.

same here clawed myself out of the gutter,now i'm flopped out on the pavement

socially i refer to myself as upper gutter class,with a few bob in the bank

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

same here clawed myself out of the gutter,now i'm flopped out on the pavement

socially i refer to myself as upper gutter class,with a few bob in the bank

TBH those who rose the way from the gutter know what it is like to be there . Those who never experience true hardship will never understand . I consider myself on the curb but I am on here I just get splashed a bit

[Carth]

It wasn't just the Mines closing that decimated towns, it was also the knock on effect of the businesses that serviced the mines now having no work too.

I'm only around 25 miles from some badly hit areas.

[Jaymoss]

Thought I had woke up in the Twilight Zone when Paul and Jem replied and in this world the 80s did not happen . Relieved others here see it to . Thought I had gone mad for minute

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

You accidentally missed out a bit…



Strange when Rayner underpays Stamp Duty it’s a scandal, but when Tice underpays £91k of Corporation Tax, it’s a minor administrative error…

But Tice paid income tax on the £91K (a higher rate than corporation tax). Whereas Rayner stood to have “pocketed” the £40K without an income tax burden.


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Originally Posted by papa smurf

same here clawed myself out of the gutter,now i'm flopped out on the pavement

socially i refer to myself as upper gutter class,with a few bob in the bank

That’s nothing, Papa. My father was a toolmaker (!) and, before anyone else says the obvious, here I am.

EDIT: He made diamond tipped tools in between his stints as a WWII soldier.


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Originally Posted by Jaymoss

Thought I had woke up in the Twilight Zone when Paul and Jem replied and in this world the 80s did not happen . Relieved others here see it to . Thought I had gone mad for minute

Too many question marks, mate !!!!!!!

The 80s did happen, you are quite right. Thatcher got some of the privatisations wrong, particularly water. The biggest failure was the regulation regime which, for energy, has killed the benefits of competition.

But the real con on privatisation was that we were supposed to buy shares in mwhat we already owned and paid for through the state.

[GrimUpNorth]

I think everyone's recollection of that period will vary depending on how close they were to the harsh reality of the policies. I'm in Wakefield and the visual reminders are still there to see, both socially and in the built environment. There are the remains of mining communities that are still split and the hurt and resentment (on both sides) still runs deep.

I remember in the early 80's Wakefield was buzzing, people had money in their pockets and a Saturday night in town was a crazy experience. I used to love going to the miners gala in the park - it was something we used to look forward to.

All those days are now gone and while it's not as grim as it once was it's still grim if you know where to look. In 1984 there were 15 pits in the district employing about 20,000 people directly, and probably many more in supporting industries (engineering, haulage etc) and even more in businesses that flourished because of the miners wages (local shops, pubs etc). A community can't loose that many jobs and just carry on as if nothing happened. Apparently, in Wakefield the last figures I've seen show 16% of the population is in the most 10% of deprived areas in the country, and it wasn't like this before the Conservatives decided to destroy what they saw as the disruptive working class. Because of the choices made in Downing Street 40 years ago, one ongoing impact is the thousands of children who don't have a bed for themselves in Wakefield.

So in this part of the world the impact of the Conservative policies are still there for all to see, but I suppose if you didn't live in an area where >90% of the men in the area found themselves out of work then you probably won't understand the lasting impact it had. As a country we should be ashamed of some of our recent history.

Feel free to flame me, but like some of the others I've lived it and many many people round here are still living it.

[Sephiroth]

Grim has a point. That’s the problem with politicians - they don’t think strategically in the interests of the people - only themsleves.

Hence killing the coal mining industry without a plan for the affected areas was terrible oversight. Of course Scargill didn’t help the cause and it got Thatcher into revenge mode.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

Oh no I find myself having to explain even though I really do not want to post here anymore but I was questioned about my view on Thatcher and the effects now and the point about council housing is pretty obvious or I thought so

Thatcher sold them did not replace them now we do not have them. It really not that hard to grasp surely? See now I am salty damn it haha

---------- Post added at 07:34 ---------- Previous post was at 07:32 ----------

Could also tie it all together with my previous point about privatisation because after all the council houses were sold up popped Private Housing Associations instead of the home own money generating council stock

---------- Post added at 08:07 ---------- Previous post was at 07:34 ----------

Where have all the coal mines gone. And seeing as I come from a mining area I have seen this first hand . Think that counts too? plus a hell of the lot of the economy is run of things she put in place. Steal industry Iron foundries ship building car manufacture . But no we are not still paying the price 35 years later

They didn't need replacing because there was NO NET IMPACT on homeless etc.