Soham murderer Ian Huntley has died

[jem]

Originally Posted by thenry

Something that's been happening for years and been applied to other famous inmates

3k towards a simple coffin, cremation/burial . If someone's broke I guess the government take on the burden.

Sounds more like shit stirring more than anything

Yes of course it is simple s**t stirring or click-bait headlines.

An inmate has died, so what do the authorities do? The body has to be disposed of somehow, unless you want it simply dumped outside to rot away and cause disease?

Assuming that his family decline to have anything to do with it, the body will be cremated and the ashes dispersed somewhere - and this costs money. The article makes it sound like he gets a full funeral, with a horse-drawn hearse through the streets accompanied by professional mourners. Probably the band of the Coldstream Guards playing ‘taps’!

It’s pathetic.

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Originally Posted by thenry

This guy's victims were robbed of life why should he be handfed for the rest of his?

It's an unforgiving world out there that's brutal. Making adjustments is mental.

I very much doubt that being in prison amounts to being ‘handfed’. Now I have no first-hand experience but I doubt it’s that good.

Think of the logic ‘as a society, we believe that the taking of a human life is completely unacceptable, and we will punish it by the taking of a human life’.

I might, just might, reluctantly support it if I thought it acted as a deterrent, but does it? Many states in the US have the death penalty - are there no murders in those states. Some countries have a mandatory death penalty for smuggling in or possession of fairly small quantities of illegal drugs. Do they now have no drug issues?

All of the evidence is there; the death penalty simply doesn’t work.

[thenry]

Prisons are full and the answer is to reduce prison terms

Originally Posted by jem

Think of the logic ‘as a society, we believe that the taking of a human life is completely unacceptable, and we will punish it by the taking of a human life’.

I might, just might, reluctantly support it if I thought it acted as a deterrent, but does it? Many states in the US have the death penalty - are there no murders in those states. Some countries have a mandatory death penalty for smuggling in or possession of fairly small quantities of illegal drugs. Do they now have no drug issues?

All of the evidence is there; the death penalty simply doesn’t work.

As an argument against the death penalty, your logic makes no sense.

You could apply the same logic for any punishment, for any crime.
Prison for murder simply doesnt work because people still commit murder.
Fines/Bans/Prison for drink driving simply doesnt work because people still drink drive.
i.e. Punishment X simply doesnt work for Crime Z, because people still commit Crime Z.

We would need a universal single punishment, that worked for everyone, and thats just fantasy.

[RichardCoulter]

I wonder if there will be an inquiry into how this was allowed to happen, as prisons have a 'dury of care' towards their inmates.

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Originally Posted by thenry

Something that's been happening for years and been applied to other famous inmates

3k towards a simple coffin, cremation/burial . If someone's broke I guess the government take on the burden.

Sounds more like shit stirring more than anything

This was also done a few years ago when the press said that he was to undergo gender reassignment 'to get a more cushy life', which turned out to be nonsense.

[RichardCoulter]

Just been on the news that the perpetrator has today been charged with murder.

[thenry]

What did he have to lose

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthon...ell_(murderer)

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[Carth]

Lost nothing, but probably gained hero status among the inmates.

[papa smurf]

And what about the prison officers who allowed a prisoner access to a weapon

[Carth]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

And what about the prison officers who allowed a prisoner access to a weapon

Probably a cast iron saucepan from the kitchen . . can't make an omelette without breaking heads

Originally Posted by Chris

I get that nobody will mourn him. Fair enough. But the celebrations are misplaced. The man who killed him is also a highly dangerous killer on an extended stay in a maximum security prison. And right now he’s enjoying some sense of validation and moral superiority because he killed a different dangerous killer who was on an extended stay in a maximum security prison. The only difference between these two men is that the public had more sympathy for one man’s victims than they did for the other’s.

I do not think it is a good idea for us to create the impression that dangerous murderers can achieve some sense of personal redemption by trying to kill each other. It makes our prisons more expensive, and more difficult and dangerous to operate. Sooner or later it is also bound to lead to someone getting hurt who definitely doesn’t ‘deserve’ it.

I agree in large parts of this. The person who killed Huntley is a sickening killer monster himself.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by thenry

What did he have to lose

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthon...ell_(murderer)

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I think a lot of people are assuming that Huntley was attacked because of his crimes, but reading that it looks like it was a case of bullying/arguing that got out of hand.

I imagine that there will be an enquiry as to how this could have been allowed to happen.

[thenry]

There's a petition

https://www.change.org/p/do-not-use-...or-ian-huntley

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by thenry

Prisons are full and the answer is to reduce prison terms

It's also to build more prisons, to cut re-offending rates and to prevent crime in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Chris

I get that nobody will mourn him. Fair enough. But the celebrations are misplaced. The man who killed him is also a highly dangerous killer on an extended stay in a maximum security prison. And right now he’s enjoying some sense of validation and moral superiority because he killed a different dangerous killer who was on an extended stay in a maximum security prison. The only difference between these two men is that the public had more sympathy for one man’s victims than they did for the other’s.

I do not think it is a good idea for us to create the impression that dangerous murderers can achieve some sense of personal redemption by trying to kill each other. It makes our prisons more expensive, and more difficult and dangerous to operate. Sooner or later it is also bound to lead to someone getting hurt who definitely doesn’t ‘deserve’ it.

Nail on the head.

I was initially surprised a bunch of convicted murderers had access to something that could kill someone.

Originally Posted by thenry

There's a petition

There always is.