Reform UK's chronicles

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Hugh

And they don’t even have a non-elected Shadow Chancellor!

tbf, the Lib Dem’s do have eight times the number of MPs than Reform, and all of them were actually elected whilst standing for that Party

But not when the SDP or Lib Dems were first formed.
With any new party, it takes time.

What Farage said was happening



What actually happened

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Hugh

What Farage said was happening



What actually happened

I doubt this means what has been assumed. Trump himself may not even have been aware of Farage’s presence. He’s a bit busy at the moment, as you have possibly gleaned.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I doubt this means what has been assumed. Trump himself may not even have been aware of Farage’s presence. He’s a bit busy at the moment, as you have possibly gleaned.

yes donnys busy murdering school girls and destroying the world economy oorah usa usa simplify

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I doubt this means what has been assumed. Trump himself may not even have been aware of Farage’s presence. He’s a bit busy at the moment, as you have possibly gleaned.

Point missed, completely….

For instance

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...e-news-updates

Reform UK leader told a ‘Save Chagos Boat Party’ yesterday he would be raising the issue in his meeting with the president

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2933445.html

Nigel Farage is set to meet Donald Trump at his Mar-a-Lago mansion on Friday to discuss Sir Keir Starmer’s Chagos Islands deal, as the war in the Middle East escalates...

… Mr Farage, who has long opposed the Chagos deal and dubbed it a “surrender” treaty, told an event in Westminster on Thursday that he would discuss it at Mr Trump’s estate in Florida.

“We think this is the central plan for this government’s foreign policy and we are beating them back,” Mr Farage said, according to GB News.

“President Trump has almost understood the deal, but I will be dining at Mar-a-Lago tomorrow night, and we will reinforce the message.”

Farage had told everyone he was going to meet with Trump - this statement was not congruent with actuality…

[1andrew1]

Looks like Sir Keir's not the only one partial to a u-turn or two.

We should not join war on Iran, says Farage in U-turn

Nigel Farage has declared that Britain should not join Donald Trump’s war on Iran.

The Reform UK leader said the military could not “offer anything of value” to America or Israel.

He had previously argued that Britain should “do all we can” to support US-Israeli action in the Middle East. Richard Tice, his deputy, has also voiced support for bombing Iran.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...1005cc8e&ei=31

[Sephiroth]

I think that Andrew could have provided the fuller version rather than select what he did and present it as a u-turn. Disappointing.

Nigel Farage has declared that Britain should not join Donald Trump’s war on Iran.

The Reform UK leader said the military could not “offer anything of value” to America or Israel.

He had previously argued that Britain should “do all we can” to support US-Israeli action in the Middle East. Richard Tice, his deputy, has also voiced support for bombing Iran.

But Mr Farage said on Tuesday: “Given that we can’t even send a Royal Naval vessel to defend British sovereign territory at an RAF base we certainly don’t have the capability to offer anything of any value to the Americans or the Israelis.

“I, as leader, am saying to you – if we can’t even defend Cyprus, let’s not get ourselves involved in another foreign war.”

[Carth]

Well . . . they (the Yanks) did say some nasty things about us and their war, so screw them anyway

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I think that Andrew could have provided the fuller version rather than select what he did and present it as a u-turn. Disappointing.

I just reproduced the first paragraph and a link. If we're providing an excuse quote from one side, then for balance we should provide a quote from the other.

A Labour source said: “Reform spent the past week saying they’d bomb Iran.
“Now they’re trying to change tack, leaving their foreign policy in an almighty mess. That’s not serious leadership.”

[Carth]

Labour mentioning 'serious leadership'

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I just reproduced the first paragraph and a link. If we're providing an excuse quote from one side, then for balance we should provide a quote from the other.

Of course you did. But equally, of course, you either didn't read the full quote or you deliberately omitted the additional part that I posted.

It changes the sentiment totally from the impression (u-turn) you were trying to make.

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Originally Posted by Carth

Labour mentioning 'serious leadership'

What's left for those fools to do other than rely on certain Forum members to punt their line!

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

It changes the sentiment totally from the impression (u-turn) you were trying to make.

It changes nothing, its still a U Turn, whatever the excuses for doing so.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Paul

It changes nothing, its still a U Turn, whatever the excuses for doing so.

I beg to differ. U-turn carries sentiment here because Andrew was comparing Farage to the U-turn Meister - Starmer.

Farage was rationalising his position.

Begging is not a requirement.

"rationalising" it (aka making an excuse) doesnt change the fact its a u turn.

[Dingbat]

Is he upset that his super special friend Donald wasn't there to see him when he made a super special trip to Mar a Lago?