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[Sephiroth]

LOL.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Good to see the expulsion of this incompetent grifter. Badenoch has really grown into her role.

She’s putting a brave face on it. Jenrick is a top hitter and has been pushing against the influence of the left wing of the Conservative Party for some time.

Farage has thanked Badenoch for the late Christmas present from her.

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Originally Posted by Chris

Reform is becoming the Tory Party in exile.

No, it’s only taking on Conservatives from the right of the party. Jenrick brings with him some valuable expertise on the workings of government.

[Dingbat]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

She’s putting a brave face on it. Jenrick is a top hitter and has been pushing against the influence of the left wing of the Conservative Party for some time.
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Top hitter?

He has the political effectiveness of a wet lettuce. Reviled in his own constituency, and in his whole tenure in the HoC has done nothing at all of merit.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Dingbat

Top hitter?

He has the political effectiveness of a wet lettuce. Reviled in his own constituency, and in his whole tenure in the HoC has done nothing at all of merit.

Didn't we voted her PM....

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Farage has thanked Badenoch for the late Christmas present from her.

I seem to recall that Badenoch expressed her gratitude to Farage for doing her Spring cleaning!

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Originally Posted by Dingbat

Top hitter?

He has the political effectiveness of a wet lettuce. Reviled in his own constituency, and in his whole tenure in the HoC has done nothing at all of merit.

Top hitter in the Conservatives is a low bar which he may have stretched over! Did he vote to reduce GDP by 4% by leaving the EU? No. Did he procure PPE that didn't work? No.

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Didn't we voted her PM....

Boris was leader of the Conservatives when they were elected in 2019. Truss became PM for 50 days when Johnson was forced to step down through his regime's incompetence and double standards.

[Anonymouse]

Originally Posted by Carth

Given the current state of play in UK politics, if there was a general election tomorrow would the voter turnout reach double figures?

I think the Raving Loony Monster lot would have a greater shout at gaining power

More the Monster Raving Loony Party, but yes, they might be preferable. The turnout would reach double figures - possibly triple, i.e. everybody - if None Of The Above was an option.

Originally Posted by Hugh

"Every Tory defection to Reform raises the IQ of both parties"

Ooh, good one!

[Carth]

I'd love "none of the above" to be a valid option when voting.
Quite obviously a great many people choose that by not bothering to vote, but if it was an official choice it would give the statisticians a good time

[Sephiroth]

Should voting become mandatory, you could be sure that a “None of the above party” would be formed. Great fun that would be.

[Anonymouse]

Hmm. Voting becoming mandatory. Presumably it would be a criminal offence not to vote.

Yeah. Aren't the prisons overflowing already?

I've said this before: in a true democracy, the right to vote should and must include the right not to vote. Having said that (again), if we got NOTA as an option I suspect turnout would be greatly increased. Certainly I would vote NOTA.

We the electorate are not apathetic. We just no longer see the point of voting for ineffectuals (to be more accurate, I don't - I can't speak for others, obviously). I don't vote for a candidate/party; as per Lazarus Long (see Time Enough For Love), I vote against. Unfortunately, if you vote against all of them that reduces to voting for none of them...not something Heinlein envisaged, I suspect.

'Suppose They Gave An Election And Nobody Came?' Ooh, I'd love to see what politicians and statisticians would make of that. Eat your heart out, Montgomery Brewster!

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Anonymouse

Hmm. Voting becoming mandatory. Presumably it would be a criminal offence not to vote.

Yeah. Aren't the prisons overflowing already?

I've said this before: in a true democracy, the right to vote should and must include the right not to vote. Having said that (again), if we got NOTA as an option I suspect turnout would be greatly increased. Certainly I would vote NOTA.

We the electorate are not apathetic. We just no longer see the point of voting for ineffectuals (to be more accurate, I don't - I can't speak for others, obviously). I don't vote for a candidate/party; as per Lazarus Long (see Time Enough For Love), I vote against. Unfortunately, if you vote against all of them that reduces to voting for none of them...not something Heinlein envisaged, I suspect.

'Suppose They Gave An Election And Nobody Came?' Ooh, I'd love to see what politicians and statisticians would make of that. Eat your heart out, Montgomery Brewster!

You don't have to make it a criminal offence, when they send you your voting card there could be a serrated bit you rip of and get stamped, with it you get a bit of a rebate on your council tax, without it you pay a bit more, we could call it the democracy rebate, they could also introduce freedom cakes and democracy hot dogs like Australia. You don't have to make voting mandatory in a democracy but you can incentive it because for me without it you get extremists and populists with their simple answers to complicated questions and the antidote to that is mass turnout.

[Carth]

Wouldn't that in effect simply be buying votes?

I get that it's more 'complicated' than that, but bottom line is people would vote for anyone just to get there bin emptied on time

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Carth

Wouldn't that in effect simply be buying votes?

I get that it's more 'complicated' than that, but bottom line is people would vote for anyone just to get there bin emptied on time

It's not buying votes for a candidate though. It's just the opposite of penalising non-voters so comes across as nicer.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Carth

Wouldn't that in effect simply be buying votes?

I get that it's more 'complicated' than that, but bottom line is people would vote for anyone just to get there bin emptied on time

No, those votes have already been bought and paid for, none of us may remember it personally but I bet there's members here who remember their mums telling them of a time when it was illegal for women to vote and their parents parents would have been able to tell tales of when the poor people weren't allowed to vote, how you could fight for the empire for 20 years and return to no say in how the country was run, a time of rotten boroughs like Dunny on the Wold with a census record of 20000 and an electoral roll of 3*, so no, its not buying votes, they were purchased through the blood, sweat and tears of our forefathers, its not our fault the politicians have so little about them, are so corrupt, so useless that the public want nothing to do with them, they used to sell hope, then they sold fear, mainly of foreigners and now they don't even try to hide the fact that they've got nothing, its their fault the public need encouragement to vote for the least worst option, we all get a hotdog no matter who we vote for, same as our bins still get emptied, it might just cost a little more for some.




*thanks to E Blackadder