Russia has invaded Ukraine

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Damien

This is a country which has attempted and committed an assassination on UK soil and killed a British citizen in doing so. I don't think they care. Obviously, an attack on British infrastructure would be a further escalation.

I'm ok here then, there's sod all around here but crap roads and turnips . . . with the occasional whiff of fish from the East

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Damien

This is a country which has attempted and committed an assassination on UK soil and killed a British citizen in doing so. I don't think they care. Obviously, an attack on British infrastructure would be a further escalation.

No they don’t, but they’ll keep it within the confines of what they think/know they can get away with.

Which, as history shows, is anything they want.

Unless we, or Poland, or anyone else is prepared to respond…………and it will also have be grey in nature……or cause greater issues.

They’ll continue.

Originally Posted by Carth

I'm ok here then, there's sod all around here but crap roads and turnips . . . with the occasional whiff of fish from the East

If you are in the County of twelve-fingered webbed hands, you have Waddington (ISTAR), Digby (Secret Squirrel), Coningsby (QRA), Cranwell (flying training), so some of the fall-out may drift your way…

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Hugh

If you are in the County of twelve-fingered webbed hands, you have Waddington (ISTAR), Digby (Secret Squirrel), Coningsby (QRA), Cranwell (flying training), so some of the fall-out may drift your way…

We aren't daft we pay fallout tax to keep the air clean

Originally Posted by papa smurf

We aren't daft we pay fallout tax to keep the air clean

Nah, Dame Andrea Jenkyns cancelled that, as it was "too woke"...

[Carth]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

We aren't daft we pay fallout tax to keep the air clean

Damn, the things you learn on here.

I thought the 'fallout' tax was to cover all the crap left in the street on bin day

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Carth

Damn, the things you learn on here.

I thought the 'fallout' tax was to cover all the crap left in the street on bin day

Both are wrong. The fallout is the cost of Labour’s failed policies, which have to be paid for somehow.

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https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-...ainst-36263256

[EXTRACT]

Russia is preparing for war against NATO warned Poland’s top general after it was hit by a massive gas explosion.

Chief of the General Staff of the Polish Armed Forces Wieslaw Kukula warned that Russia “has begun the period of preparing for war. They are building an environment here intended to create conditions favourable for potential aggression on Polish territory.”

He spoke out as Poland confirmed a key rail link between Warsaw and Ukraine - used for funnelling Western supplies - was blown up in an “unprecedented act of sabotage”. A Russian military attack on Poland would trigger a response under NATO’s Article 5 - likely amounting to a Third World War.

Putin doesn’t like it when it’s done to him, does he? He must know that we know this is all bluff and bluster. Putin doesn’t have the resources to start a Third World War.

https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2025/11/1...ng-the-tables/

[thenry]

Ukraine's friends

https://www.anews.com.tr/world/2025/...eign-secretary

[thenry]

Trump's 28-point peace plan summarised

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-w...#liveblog-body

"I've had a lot of deadlines, but if things are working well, you tend to extend the deadlines. But Thursday is, we think, is an appropriate time," Trump said.

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-w...#liveblog-body

The plan is nuts. Ukraine has to hand over land to Russia that Russia doesn't even control? And cut it's army?

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Damien

The plan is nuts. Ukraine has to hand over land to Russia that Russia doesn't even control? And cut it's army?

Ukraine has to limit its armed forces size but Russia doesn't even have to guarantee it won't attack again, Russia gets most of its frozen assets back and are accepted back into the G8, security guarantees for Ukraine seem weak, in short this deal could've been written in Moscow its so one sided

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Ukraine has to limit its armed forces size but Russia doesn't even have to guarantee it won't attack again, Russia gets most of its frozen assets back and are accepted back into the G8, security guarantees for Ukraine seem weak, in short this deal could've been written in Moscow its so one sided

It probably was. The Russkies have some incriminating photos of The Donald. The new Mafia now run the USA. Not sure which country is worse.

Canada should invade Alaska, and we should support them, citing Ukraine as a precedent.

[Dingbat]

Vitali Klitschko sums it up

“This isn’t a peace plan. It’s a surrender plan.
Imperial russia gets land for its crimes.
Ukraine gets promises, like the security guarantees of 1994, written in disappearing ink.
We don’t need 28 points.
We need one point: russia Go home!”

https://x.com/Klitschko/status/1991918986108522635

[Pierre]

Well at the moment, the most telling thing is Ukraine hasn’t yet rejected it. They won’t accept it, but remember Trump is a businessman, this is the initial offer in a negotiation.

Obviously unacceptable, let’s see what the counter offer is.

He’ll be waiting for a co-ordinated response from ‘the willing’ in Europe. Starmer/Macron/etc managed to talk Trump down a couple of months ago. He’ll be hoping for similar. I’m not sure anything they say will put him off this time. Trump’s been batting for Putin all along, that much is now pretty clear. Zelensky will play for time and most likely try to work out what sort of war he can pursue entirely with European support. It ought to be possible to shape some sort of a campaign without American involvement, always assuming of course that the capitals of Europe have been paying attention and taken on board the awkward fact that the US is no longer a reliable ally.

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This on Xitter from Gabrielius Landsbergis, a former foreign minister of Lithuania (a small country, but with a lot of experience of dealing with Russia, and Russians).

There is a glaringly obvious message for Europe in the 28 point plan: This is the end of the end.

We have been told repeatedly and unambiguously that Ukraine’s security, and therefore Europe’s security, will be Europe’s responsibility. And now it is. Entirely.

If you are a European leader asking your team to book you on the next flight to Washington to go talk to Daddy, please don’t.

Not without a plan, not cap in hand, not humiliating us all in front of the cameras at the Oval office.

Europe is our continent, our future is decided here, not there. We aren’t poor, we have options, we can finally decide to assist Ukraine to the full extent of our very extensive capabilities, restore European dignity and defend Europe.

Or we can continue to wait for the miracle we now know is not coming.