Reform UK's chronicles

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Carth

please explain "energy sovereignty", as I thought all energy produced was thrown into a big pot and then sold back to you?

If it's produced locally eg wind power, hydro-electric, nuclear then it doesn't go into the same big pot that gas and oil do. And its not impacted by overseas countries.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

If it's produced locally eg wind power, hydro-electric, nuclear then it doesn't go into the same big pot that gas and oil do. And its not impacted by overseas countries.

Wait . . so you're telling me that my Gas and Electric bills are not raised and lowered due to the 'global' prices, but instead it's if the wind blows or the sun shines?

Originally Posted by Carth

Wait . . so you're telling me that my Gas and Electric bills are not raised and lowered due to the 'global' prices, but instead it's if the wind blows or the sun shines?

This can feed into the price. Wholesale prices are cheaper when it's windy or sunny, I use Octopus Agile, which links to the wholesale price by the half-hour (priced a day ahead), and you can see it drop to single pennies on sunny/windy days or as high as 50p when it isn't.

But the price always goes up between 4pm-7pm as there isn't enough renewable energy to sustain the demand.

So your tariff will be informed by renewables but still will vary more because of the global prices.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Reform's policies will reduce energy sovereignty and will lead to increased costs and price volatility.

Won't Reform's policy support "drill baby drill" and thus improve our energy sovereignty in so far as we can claim sovereignty (pot/buy-back)?

At least we'll have a strategic resource.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Reform's policies will reduce energy sovereignty and will lead to increased costs and price volatility.

Net-zero has already done that.

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Originally Posted by Carth

Wait . . so you're telling me that my Gas and Electric bills are not raised and lowered due to the 'global' prices, but instead it's if the wind blows or the sun shines?

The electricity price is pegged to the gas price, regardless.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Net-zero has already done that.

It seems I was completely mistaken regarding Net Zero in the UK, it's nothing at all to do with Carbon Emissions, and simply the end target of which all (or most of) the UK will end up with . . absolutely nothing at all.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Won't Reform's policy support "drill baby drill" and thus improve our energy sovereignty in so far as we can claim sovereignty (pot/buy-back)?

At least we'll have a strategic resource.

Didn't we sell our sovereignty aka oil fields to the highest bidder thus improving Norways sovereign wealth fund, could be wrong, just seems like something we'd do

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Won't Reform's policy support "drill baby drill" and thus improve our energy sovereignty in so far as we can claim sovereignty (pot/buy-back)?

At least we'll have a strategic resource.

Exactly, Seph. Reform advocate that we should use our own fossil fuels rather than import them.

What so many people don’t understand is that we will still need fossil fuels for some time to come until alternative sources of energy can guarantee security of supply.

Reform UK is talking about lot of sense, which is why Starmer and his thick bunch are going out of their way to demonise them.

Well, the indications are that most thinking people are beginning to see through the mud-slinging hyperbole. It might even start to dawn on some regular contributors on this forum, but it still hasn’t quite sunk in yet!

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Exactly, Seph. Reform advocate that we should use our own fossil fuels rather than import them.

What so many people don’t understand is that we will still need fossil fuels for some time to come until alternative sources of energy can guarantee security of supply.

Reform UK is talking about lot of sense, which is why Starmer and his thick bunch are going out of their way to demonise them.

Well, the indications are that most thinking people are beginning to see through the mud-slinging hyperbole. It might even start to dawn on some regular contributors on this forum, but it still hasn’t quite sunk in yet!

Irony, thy name is OLD BOY…

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

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Reform UK is talking about lot of sense, which is why Starmer and his thick bunch are going out of their way to demonise them.

Thing is you havent got a good track record at picking them OB. First it was St Theresa May, then Bonking Boris, then Loopy Liz, then slimy Sunak - all you said were the Second Coming.... Look where they've got us.

Think you and others need to do thinking before backing another self obsessed nutter.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Exactly, Seph. Reform advocate that we should use our own fossil fuels rather than import them:

As that's impossible, only the hard of thinking will buy into that policy.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

As that's impossible, only the hard of thinking will buy into that policy.

It’s not impossible … just extremely difficult and expensive and therefore highly improbable.

Parliament is sovereign, it can pass and Act unilaterally altering the nature of drilling and extraction licences in the UK sector of the North Sea. It can nationalise all operations if it chooses. In time of war the government could probably do so directly, under emergency requisition, without Parliamentary consent at all.

But, as you say, only the hard of thinking would believe any government in peacetime would take on such a monumentally expensive and destabilising project.