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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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I must have missed the 8 second news item about the vital role the UK played.
Maybe it was jammed between the (seemingly) more important stuff about what B list celebs had for tea, and the comprehensive articles explaining (with graphics) why solar panels don't work at full capacity after dark.
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Try watching something other than GB News… 
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Yesterday, 21:21
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
https://archive.ph/FWDbO
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Naturally, Witkoff's statement was a rebuttal of the incorrect information in those articles.
You would have to ask Witkoff not me for the full details. The Times gets close. Some of the less well-informed observers criticised the UK for recognising Palestine. That same The Times article explains how this was necessary to split the Arab League from Hamas.
And obviously, Starmer doesn't need Trump's assistance to do that!
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Yesterday, 21:41
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
https://archive.ph/FWDbO
Naturally, Witkoff's statement was a rebuttal of the incorrect information in those articles.
You would have to ask Witkoff not me for the full details. The Times gets close. Some of the less well-informed observers criticised the UK for recognising Palestine. That same The Times article explains how this was necessary to split the Arab League from Hamas.
And obviously, Starmer doesn't need Trump's assistance to do that!
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Starmer and by association the U.K. look pathetic.
Trump played him and he fell for it like a complete novice.
It’s a national embarrassment.
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Yesterday, 21:46
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
The UK has minor influence on things like this because there is little we can do. We don't hold any authority over either Hamas or Israel; the latter isn't concerned with our funding. The only outside countries that have any influence are America, Iran and to some extent Qatar and Saudi Arabia.
This peace deal is neither a humiliation nor a success for Britain, as it would have occurred with or without our involvement. I think some people are a bit delusional about how important we are. We've had people saying Starmer will be prosecuted for war crimes in Gaza or that this has humiliated Britain.
We're a footnote in this period of history; no one outside of Britain cares what we think on this issue.
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Yesterday, 22:31
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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Originally Posted by Pierre
Starmer and by association the U.K. look pathetic.
Trump played him and he fell for it like a complete novice.
It’s a national embarrassment.
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The only novice here is the contrarian who criticises the UK when the evidence points firmly in the other direction.
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The UK has minor influence on things like this because there is little we can do. We don't hold any authority over either Hamas or Israel; the latter isn't concerned with our funding. The only outside countries that have any influence are America, Iran and to some extent Qatar and Saudi Arabia.
This peace deal is neither a humiliation nor a success for Britain, as it would have occurred with or without our involvement. I think some people are a bit delusional about how important we are. We've had people saying Starmer will be prosecuted for war crimes in Gaza or that this has humiliated Britain.
We're a footnote in this period of history; no one outside of Britain cares what we think on this issue.
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Speak to those in the diplomatic services and you'll soon find that the UK and France punch well above their weight behind the scenes. They have established skills built up from their days of ruling a lot of the world.
That of course doesn't make the UK a super power by any stretch of the imagination. But effective diplomats like Jonathan Powell come from an established system that not all comparable nations possess. That's not British exceptionalism, it's just our history.
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Today, 02:01
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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We're a footnote in this period of history; no one outside of Britain cares what we think on this issue.
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I dont think most people inside Britain care that much.
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
So on the news this morning Racheal from accounts is blaming Brexit for why she will be hitting us with yet more taxes, meanwhile the Express is well and truly going after Starmer today.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...5d8eec45&ei=17
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/othe...5d8eec45&ei=17
Labour are sticking to the old Labour system of squeezing us till the pips squeak and then squeezing all some more. Which members of society are they going for next, they tried the pensioners, then they went for the disabled so who will they stick the knife into next month ?
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Today, 08:16
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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Originally Posted by Sirius
So on the news this morning Racheal from accounts is blaming Brexit for why she will be hitting us with yet more taxes, meanwhile the Express is well and truly going after Starmer today.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...5d8eec45&ei=17
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/othe...5d8eec45&ei=17
Labour are sticking to the old Labour system of squeezing us till the pips squeak and then squeezing all some more. Which members of society are they going for next, they tried the pensioners, then they went for the disabled so who will they stick the knife into next month ? |
Follow the money!
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Today, 08:42
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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Originally Posted by Sirius
So on the news this morning Racheal from accounts is blaming Brexit for why she will be hitting us with yet more taxes, meanwhile the Express is well and truly going after Starmer today.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...5d8eec45&ei=17
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/othe...531&cvid&ei=17
Labour are sticking to the old Labour system of squeezing us till the pips squeak and then squeezing all some more. Which members of society are they going for next, they tried the pensioners, then they went for the disabled so who will they stick the knife into next month ? |
On Brexit, she has a point. The public were told, 'Project Fear', remember?
Those papers dont want you to remember either, how you voted for poverty at their request.
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Today, 09:18
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
Labour never should have promised not to reverse the NI cut.
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Today, 09:29
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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Originally Posted by Damien
This peace deal is neither a humiliation nor a success for Britain, as it would have occurred with or without our involvement.
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That's the point, and the UK (along with France and Canada) trying to claiming any credit for it, after rewarding Hamas and hindering the peace negotiations by recognising a palestinian state, is embarrasing.
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Originally Posted by Sirius
So on the news this morning Racheal from accounts is blaming Brexit for why she will be hitting us with yet more taxes, meanwhile the Express is well and truly going after Starmer today.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...5d8eec45&ei=17
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/othe...5d8eec45&ei=17
Labour are sticking to the old Labour system of squeezing us till the pips squeak and then squeezing all some more. Which members of society are they going for next, they tried the pensioners, then they went for the disabled so who will they stick the knife into next month ? |
Brexit, of course.
Not the taxing the economy into continued stagnation, she takes us all for fools
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Today, 10:48
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
Govt. thinking in a nutshell:
"oh heck, we've well and truly screwed ourselves here with some silly promises, failing to get spending under control (despite robbing the plebs), and our reputation is once again in tatters. Let's blame Brexit, that should give us a few days breathing space"
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Today, 15:51
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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Originally Posted by Pierre
That's the point, and the UK (along with France and Canada) trying to claiming any credit for it, after rewarding Hamas and hindering the peace negotiations by recognising a palestinian state, is embarrasing.
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Recognising Palestine progressed the peace process by splitting Hamas away from the Arab States.
The USA gave the UK credit for its hard work. Embarrassing that you talk the country down instead.
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Brexit, of course.
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Partly, yes.
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Today, 16:30
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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Embarrassing that you talk the country down instead.
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Talking Starmer down and the embarrassing Labour government down, is not talking the country down.
Don’t conflate the two
Reeves, and Labour’s, current predicament is all of their own design.
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